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[Gunner-Chan]

That's (mild) assault and battery, as far as I know.  Both groups should be charged.

It's just assault and battery, Assault is using the threat of violence, if it's making a threat or leveling a gun to someones face. Battery is the act of carrying out the threat or firing the gun. And even then in the United states battery only has a few different definitions, this falls under simple battery. For both party's really.

One was a slap in the face, the other was getting beaten to a pulp. I'd say they have already gotten "justice" served hands over this time, though you're right that that's probably not for me to decide.

It's not up to private citizens when someone is actually been served their just dues. As it is the justice system being used for government sanctioned revenge is overused already. So yeah the last bit of that post is about right.

[ECrownofFire]

They both were at fault here, everybody should get charged. And yeah, the guy went too far in that.

But still, they harass him, they attack him, they jump the counter and he runs away, he attacks them back. And when they refuse to stay down, he hits them again. I don't think it's that unreasonable to ask the people that attacked you to stay down.

[Virex]

One was a slap in the face, the other was getting beaten to a pulp. I'd say they have already gotten "justice" served hands over this time, though you're right that that's probably not for me to decide.

It's not up to private citizens when someone is actually been served their just dues. As it is the justice system being used for government sanctioned revenge is overused already. So yeah the last bit of that post is about right.

Meh, there are a lot of things I know I shouldn't have own opinion on, but as far as I know that list never included justice.

[Gunner-Chan]

Being slapped doesn't mean you're allowed to hit them MULTIPLE TIMES with a steel pipe. Ever. That's not exactly appropriate retribution or self defense anymore.

[Vector]

They both were at fault here, everybody should get charged. And yeah, the guy went too far in that.

But still, they harass him, they attack him, they jump the counter and he runs away, he attacks them back. And when they refuse to stay down, he hits them again. I don't think it's that unreasonable to ask the people that attacked you to stay down.

... You think that if a woman beat some guys with a lead pipe, she'd be left uncharged?

You don't seem to be arguing anymore that a woman wouldn't be charged, but that this guy shouldn't have been.  So what's your angle?  Is it about gender, or is it about the crime itself?

[Gunner-Chan]

He's arguing it's appropriate self defense.

[Virex]

He's arguing it's appropriate self defense.

His earlier post was probably assuming that were this guy a woman, it would've been assumed that the amount of force she applied was necessary to defend herself.

[ECrownofFire]

Being slapped doesn't mean you're allowed to hit them MULTIPLE TIMES with a steel pipe. Ever. That's not exactly appropriate retribution or self defense anymore.

How many times could he hit them before it's no longer considered self-defense?

They both were at fault here, everybody should get charged. And yeah, the guy went too far in that.

But still, they harass him, they attack him, they jump the counter and he runs away, he attacks them back. And when they refuse to stay down, he hits them again. I don't think it's that unreasonable to ask the people that attacked you to stay down.

... You think that if a woman beat some guys with a lead pipe, she'd be left uncharged?

You don't seem to be arguing anymore that a woman wouldn't be charged, but that this guy shouldn't have been.  So what's your angle?  Is it about gender, or is it about the crime itself?

My original angle was that if the employee was a woman, and the women, guys, then the employee might not have been charged. I'm not arguing that the guy shouldn't have been charged either, he clearly went too far in this case, but just how far is too far?

He's arguing it's appropriate self defense.

His earlier post was probably assuming that were this guy a woman, it would've been assumed that the amount of force she applied was necessary to defend herself.

Also this, people are kind of sexist if you didn't notice

[Virex]

How do you know she wouldn't have been charged?

[SalmonGod]

I do think women can get away with more than men in that respect... but not to that extreme.

[Askot Bokbondeler]

 it's all about stereotypes, the mental picture of two women chasing a guy usually isn't as frightening as two men chasing a girl.

there's also the fact, i'm pretty sure, that if the first assault had been perpetrated by a guy, he would probably throw a punch rather than a slap

[Virex]

Why do you think that gender matters in this? Can't it be that women really need to exert more force to protect themselves, as their assailants are, in general, more determined and harder to dissuade? Has anyone ever had a look at that anyway? Because to me it seems like you're just basing your ideas on a popular women shaming tactic.

[Askot Bokbondeler]

men are generally more violent, yes. it's perfectly possible that it's a cultural thing, and it's a "generally" not an "always"

[Vector]

Virex, you're making assumptions that the woman in question would inherently be weaker than the men.

[Aqizzar]

Not to mention arguing for a legal double standard, that the amount of the force that counts as acceptable for "self defense" should be different for men and women as a matter of principle.