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Author Topic: Chill and Relaxed Progressive Irritation and Annoyance Thread  (Read 869918 times)

Bauglir

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Re: Vector's Chill and Relaxed Progressive Rage Thread
« Reply #5010 on: September 16, 2011, 07:29:05 pm »
Quote from: Frumple on September 16, 2011, 06:27:46 pm
It speaks wonders for humanity as an animal that more of us aren't stark raving mad.
You sure about that?
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In the days when Sussman was a novice, Minsky once came to him as he sat hacking at the PDP-6.
“What are you doing?”, asked Minsky. “I am training a randomly wired neural net to play Tic-Tac-Toe” Sussman replied. “Why is the net wired randomly?”, asked Minsky. “I do not want it to have any preconceptions of how to play”, Sussman said.
Minsky then shut his eyes. “Why do you close your eyes?”, Sussman asked his teacher.
“So that the room will be empty.”
At that moment, Sussman was enlightened.

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Re: Vector's Chill and Relaxed Progressive Rage Thread
« Reply #5011 on: September 16, 2011, 07:34:01 pm »
Quote from: Bauglir on September 16, 2011, 07:29:05 pm
Quote from: Frumple on September 16, 2011, 06:27:46 pm
It speaks wonders for humanity as an animal that more of us aren't stark raving mad.
You sure about that?
Everyone is sane, for sufficiently large values of sane...
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Re: Vector's Chill and Relaxed Progressive Rage Thread
« Reply #5012 on: September 16, 2011, 07:37:30 pm »
Quote from: Virex on September 16, 2011, 07:34:01 pm
Quote from: Bauglir on September 16, 2011, 07:29:05 pm
Quote from: Frumple on September 16, 2011, 06:27:46 pm
It speaks wonders for humanity as an animal that more of us aren't stark raving mad.
You sure about that?
Everyone is sane, for sufficiently large values of sane...
I just spent the last several hours watching a flickering pattern of brightly lit dots and flooding my body with a variety of stimulant chemicals after having a significant fraction of the liquid components of my blood drained in exchange for currency.
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In the days when Sussman was a novice, Minsky once came to him as he sat hacking at the PDP-6.
“What are you doing?”, asked Minsky. “I am training a randomly wired neural net to play Tic-Tac-Toe” Sussman replied. “Why is the net wired randomly?”, asked Minsky. “I do not want it to have any preconceptions of how to play”, Sussman said.
Minsky then shut his eyes. “Why do you close your eyes?”, Sussman asked his teacher.
“So that the room will be empty.”
At that moment, Sussman was enlightened.

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Re: Vector's Chill and Relaxed Progressive Rage Thread
« Reply #5013 on: September 16, 2011, 07:38:59 pm »
You donated blood and then took a cup of coffee (or beer, but that may be unwise after a blood donation) and watched TV?
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Re: Vector's Chill and Relaxed Progressive Rage Thread
« Reply #5014 on: September 16, 2011, 07:41:17 pm »
Definitely not beer. That's not a stimulant, heh. Caffeine of some sort sounds about right, though. I'd probably recommend some nice hot tea.
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Re: Vector's Chill and Relaxed Progressive Rage Thread
« Reply #5015 on: September 16, 2011, 07:44:17 pm »
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Re: Vector's Chill and Relaxed Progressive Rage Thread
« Reply #5016 on: September 16, 2011, 07:45:10 pm »
Well, sure, when you put it that way my crippling caffeine addiction dovetails perfectly well with watching movies and being supported by plasma donation, but it sounds a lot crazier when you just look at the individual actions phrased in a manner meant specifically to sound silly.
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In the days when Sussman was a novice, Minsky once came to him as he sat hacking at the PDP-6.
“What are you doing?”, asked Minsky. “I am training a randomly wired neural net to play Tic-Tac-Toe” Sussman replied. “Why is the net wired randomly?”, asked Minsky. “I do not want it to have any preconceptions of how to play”, Sussman said.
Minsky then shut his eyes. “Why do you close your eyes?”, Sussman asked his teacher.
“So that the room will be empty.”
At that moment, Sussman was enlightened.

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Re: Vector's Chill and Relaxed Progressive Rage Thread
« Reply #5017 on: September 16, 2011, 07:54:11 pm »
Quote from: Virex on September 16, 2011, 07:34:01 pm
Quote from: Bauglir on September 16, 2011, 07:29:05 pm
Quote from: Frumple on September 16, 2011, 06:27:46 pm
It speaks wonders for humanity as an animal that more of us aren't stark raving mad.
You sure about that?
Everyone is sane, for sufficiently large values of sane...
Nobody is sane.
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Re: Vector's Chill and Relaxed Progressive Rage Thread
« Reply #5018 on: September 16, 2011, 07:55:12 pm »
Everyone is sane, for sufficiently large blood alcohol contents?
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Re: Vector's Chill and Relaxed Progressive Rage Thread
« Reply #5019 on: September 17, 2011, 02:23:02 am »
Food for thought.

If I have to read one more "but men get that, too!" I'm going to break something.  It's called hysteria for a reason.

... I'm really not meaning to be insensitive, but recentering these sorts of articles to a male perspective drives me a bit up the wall.  Men definitely endure this, too.  That doesn't mean that we don't have a serious cultural meme that women are just crazy, hysterical, over-sensitive, overreactive, and incomprehensible.  So please read in terms of that lens, not in terms of the fact that the author's approach was not universal.
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Re: Vector's Chill and Relaxed Progressive Rage Thread
« Reply #5020 on: September 17, 2011, 02:38:44 am »
Quote from: Frumple on September 16, 2011, 06:27:46 pm
It's pretty fair to be wary of that sort of conditioning, I'd say. From what I've seen most (at least a fair minority, if nothing else) people that use it, use incredibly clumsily.

Not just clumsily, but everywhere. Schools, employers, pretty much life in general relies on a carrot-and-stick approach to just about everything.
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Re: Vector's Chill and Relaxed Progressive Rage Thread
« Reply #5021 on: September 17, 2011, 02:40:30 am »
Quote from: Vector on September 17, 2011, 02:23:02 am
If I have to read one more "but men get that, too!"
Actually, I don't...

Though... I don't quite get how the author blames men for doing this intentionally.  I certainly don't go around thinking: "I wonder how I can push this person over the edge."  Of course, I don't ever say: "You look fat, just kidding."  Actually, I can't remember a time when I've ever ended a sentence/conversation that way...
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"Having faith" that the bridge will not fall, implies that the bridge itself isn't that trustworthy. It's not that different from "I pray that the bridge will hold my weight."

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Re: Vector's Chill and Relaxed Progressive Rage Thread
« Reply #5022 on: September 17, 2011, 02:44:06 am »
Yeah, I'm not sure that it's intentional.  Maybe more of an "I want to protect myself" reaction turning into something hurtful, than "Hah, I will hurt her now!"

I can tell you that the phenomenon (the structure, I mean) is real, as is the "man-splaining" cited in the comments (you know, people talking down to minorities about things the minorities already clearly know more about).  I thought it didn't exist, but I've run into it fairly recently.  Shows what I know.


(As for the people getting upset over minor things that was in your original post, Andir, I'll agree that I am extremely sensitive.  I'm sensitive and over-emotional for any gender, and folks [everyone] are constantly telling me to calm down and cool it.  So don't worry, it's okay)
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Re: Vector's Chill and Relaxed Progressive Rage Thread
« Reply #5023 on: September 17, 2011, 03:16:29 am »
I can't really talk about the woman side of things, but it's even visible on the man side that it's mostly a woman problem.
I've been told "You're so sensitive. Stop being such a girl/Man up." way too often.
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Re: Vector's Chill and Relaxed Progressive Rage Thread
« Reply #5024 on: September 17, 2011, 04:26:21 am »
I'd think that anyone who's spent more than 5 minutes on the internet would know that anyone who say "Just kidding" or similar after being called out is bullshitting.

As much as agree with the article, I don't like the implication that we have to take people's complaints at face value all the time when sometime they ARE overreacting.
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