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[fqllve]

Predicting Atheism Redux in 5... 4...

Venn Diagrams and all?

Well, the dictionary says that feminism is...

Feminism is a wide movement that doesn't stop at your particular brand of feminism.
I am always annoyed by these discussion, where one try to argue that X or Y doesn't represent the true valors of it's movement and therefore shouldn't be called Z.
I understand that you think feminism should be against discrimination and aim toward equalities, but there are feminists that don't stop there.

My point is really just that straight up 'Take that, man. You probably deserve it.' misandry has nothing to do with feminism. The woman in the video wasn't forwarding the cause of women, she was just being spiteful.

[Tack]

And therefore Chauvanism is different to Masogany?


I was talking to a friend not long ago and she said that boys who 'describe themselves as chivalrous' don't open doors for her or anything like that - and was wondering if she was giving off a 'feminist vibe'.
One question I have to ask is- can feminism and chivalry co-exist? And what constitutes 'chivalry' as opposed to 'being a gentleman'?

[Bauglir]

My experience? Yes, as long as you delete all references in your code to "men" and "women" and replace them with "people".

[Willfor]

The stark majority of people I have opened doors for in the past few months have been men. I don't really view it as chivalry, I view it as the polite thing to do.

[Vector]

One question I have to ask is- can feminism and chivalry co-exist? And what constitutes 'chivalry' as opposed to 'being a gentleman'?

I've tried to follow a knight's code of chivalry since I was seven or so.

The real question would be: does chivalry exclude performance by women?  Does "being a gentleman?"  What do we expect of these behaviors?

[Heron TSG]

This whole chivalry thing is pretty neat. I've followed a code for about as long as I can remember, but I generally apply it to both genders. Then again, I don't think I've ever been slapped by a man for opening a door for him, but whatever. It seems that chivalry is just an easy way of being polite.

[ECrownofFire]

Predicting Atheism Redux in 5... 4...

Wouldn't that be Atheism Agnosticism Atheism Redux Redux?

[Criptfeind]

I've tried to follow a knight's code of chivalry since I was seven or so.

What.

The real question would be: does chivalry exclude performance by women?  Does "being a gentleman?"  What do we expect of these behaviors?

Yes. No. Being polite can sum it up pretty well.

[Leafsnail]

My experience? Yes, as long as you delete all references in your code to "men" and "women" and replace them with "people".

Hmm... well, the earliest version of the code (11th century) we have is as follows:

To fear God and maintain His Church
To serve the liege lord in valour and faith
To protect the weak and defenceless
To give succour to widows and orphans
To refrain from the wanton giving of offence
To live by honour and for glory
To despise pecuniary reward
To fight for the welfare of all
To obey those placed in authority
To guard the honour of fellow knights
To eschew unfairness, meanness and deceit
To keep faith
At all times to speak the truth
To persevere to the end in any enterprise begun
To respect the honour of women
Never to refuse a challenge from an equal
Never to turn the back upon a foe.

Bolded is the only reference to gender, and I don't think too many would disagree with that idea (I guess you could extend it to both genders though).

[ChairmanPoo]

Bolded is the only reference to gender, and I don't think too many would disagree with that idea (I guess you could extend it to both genders though).

But surely not to dirty plebeians, right?!

[kaijyuu]

I've always seen chivalry as a gender specific thing. Which is why I'm not too fond of it.

Being polite is great. Awesome, even. Being polite because the other person's of a specific gender, not so much.


But if we want to make chivalry a gender neutral thing, then sure, that'd be great.

[Phmcw]

I've always seen chivalry as old time propaganda for uneducated thug who spent most of their free time getting drunk, "free time" referring to when they where not learning the best way to bash someone's head with a pointy iron stick.

Not for me, thanks. (However they developed very interesting way to bash someone's head with a pointy iron stick, I give them that, and those are very interesting).

[Jackrabbit]

I'm pretty sure chivalry nowadays is just a slightly nobby way to say 'basic common courtesy', really. You don't have to be a knight errant to hold the door open for someone.

[JoshuaFH]

I'm pretty sure chivalry nowadays is just a slightly nobby way to say 'basic common courtesy', really. You don't have to be a knight errant to hold the door open for someone.

Man, there goes my lifetime of training in the sword and shield.

[MonkeyHead]

So, hang on... me ALWAYS holding a door open for someone is bieng misunderstood as a "ME POWERFUL MAN" message, and possibly offends my female co-workers? Rly?