Subjectivity:
People cannot read your mind and understand your words as their ordinary meaning. That you have a subjective, internal meaning inside your mind, doesn't mean people have to read your mind, they can't. Rather it means you have to express this in words....
If you can't read my mind, why do you keep trying? You assumed I meant that good pay = "glamorous" work.
The Good/Glamorous thing:
I'm not implying anything, western civilization and common usage do. "Among the best paid," jobs are good/glamorous jobs in common usage. Yes or no? The answer is yes.... You've had this problem before on this thread, people will read your words and ascribe the common everyday meaning to them. You know or should know this. Your subjective, internal meaning can't be known by people reading your words. Your readers will be ordinary reasonable people understanding your words in their ordinary reasonable meanings
No. Glamorous is extravagant. Sitting on soft chairs. Glamorous does not equal good. You can have good work without it being glamorous or terrible. "A good day's work" does not always mean luxurious/glamorous.
Is "Among the Best Paid," A.) Good, B.) Bad, or C.) Neutral in common usage?
Good, but that doesn't mean the conditions of that work are good. You are filling in blanks. You can have terrible pay, but be doing something you love. Pay =/= condition of work.
Your words, weren't talking about the catagory of the job as "blue or white collar." The only words you have are about the PAY, not the manual or non manual nature of the job.
My words explicitly said "blue collar". You are reading something else into them.
You saying your comments were about "blue collar" is wrong, because your words and your citation, only go to PAY.... You may subjectively, internally, mean something else, but if so you have failed to describe this outside your mind where the rest of us can read it.
And you filled it in with what you thought instead of asking for more information. See the problem here?
Avatars:
You brought in avatars as a strawman.
I brought it up as an aside, unrelated to the argument at hand. (See, the word: "Also" and parenthesis.)
(Also, it would go a long way if your avatar was not a cat bearing teeth.... Freaking Psychology.)
I mean mine as a joke, and most people take it that way, the punchline is "this is why we can't have nice things." Do you think most people actually believe the cat is saying that? No
Good, then when I make a joke about something you find aggressive or has some personal feelings, we can agree that it shouldn't matter to the conversation at hand? Also, I never said that the cat was saying it. The words are meaningless to the image it portrays to me.
You're grasping and running out of points so you're attacking my aesthetic choices, which you know have no bearing on this argument. I brought in vector's avatar as an example. The fact that she has pie as an avatar doesn't detract from or add to her arguments.
Vector's avatar actually does bring good thoughts to mind. I generally treat Vector with respect (as she does to me.) Probably more so because pie is good. I've been bitten by cats and I know it hurts like nothing else. I simply stated that your avatar makes me feel defensive. Take it or leave it... but don't use it to try to discredit me.
The fact that I have a cat jokingly saying "this is why we can't have nice things." doesn't detract from mine. Most people here have cartoons as avatars, what does that "say about them?"
It makes me think they are young in spirit or age. (depending on the cartoon, some can be edgy and/or sex related. The cat makes me think you are angry.
This is the same point as the "Good:" header above, that it means something to you doesn't register. Common, Ordinary, Meaning, because I can't read your mind and no one else can either. Until and unless you spell out your thoughts, no one knows what you mean.
I did spell it out. I said that your avatar (to me) paints a picture of a cat bearing teeth.
Subjectivity:Here is what I am saying "Private meaning you ascribe to your words in your mind doesn't register to people reading them." That is the exact opposite of reading your mind, it is stating that what is in your mind isn't registering or relevant, not that I am registering or thinking it is relevant.
Words have ordinary meanings understood by ordinary readers. You must know these if you are to communicate effectively. Ordinary meanings, not what you want them to mean, determine how your words will be read, period. This is something that has repeatedly gotten you in trouble here, I recommend you learn from it.
Glamorous = type of good, high pay = goodFirst, Glamorous is a type of good, it certainly isn't a type of bad, or neutral. Thus it is a specific type of good. Second, the specific type of good glamorous is
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/glamorous "Excitingly attractive."
If glamorous is a type of good, specifically excitingly attractive, and high pay is a type of good, specifically excitingly attractive, then high pay =glamorous. So high wages are good, and excitingly attractive, and thus glamorous....
The word fits, beautifully.
This is especially true especially after conceding the next point that high wages = good.
High Pay as Good, Bad or NeutralIs "Among the Best Paid," A.) Good, B.) Bad, or C.) Neutral in common usage?
Good, but that doesn't mean the conditions of that work are good. You are filling in blanks. You can have terrible pay, but be doing something you love. Pay =/= condition of work.
The condition of work is not relevant here, please be so kind as to see next point immediately below:
It's still about you not understanding that you need to use "Common, ordinary meanings"You saying your comments were about "blue collar" is wrong, because your words and your citation, only go to PAY.... You may subjectively, internally, mean something else, but if so you have failed to describe this outside your mind where the rest of us can read it.
And you filled it in with what you thought instead of asking for more information. See the problem here?
Please let me illustrate specifically why the common ordinary meaning dictates that your words, whether or not you wanted them to, are not talking about "blue or white collar" but rather would be understood to be talking about pay by the average, ordinary reasonable person.
Also, I believe that line workers are among the best paid "blue collar" jobs that you can get:
http://www.bls.gov/oco/ocos195.htm
First, the words in this sentence have little if anything to do with working conditions. Your "belief," as it is expressed in words in the sentence went to pay. You didn't discuss working conditions, or compare them to other blue collar jobs, or white collar, or anything. You DID NOT SAY, "are among the best treated," or "have the best working conditions of," or anything else like that. You DID SAY "best paid." The comparison word "BEST" modifies "PAID," not "BLUE COLLAR" and thus your words were, to the ordinary reader using common ordinary meaning, talking about and comparing pay. You DID NOT SAY "Best blue collar jobs" YOU SAID "Best Paid 'blue collar' jobs." Thus, if I had to interpret these words in court, like in a contract, I'd say you were talking about pay. I'd win that one, because everything points to "paid" or in a different tense "pay."
What you subjectively in your own head mean, doesn't matter if it contradicts what you write down, because all we see is what you write down. I've had a lot of clients learn this the hard, expensive way.
Avatars:Again, it doesn't bear on the argument. I could have a bale of hay or anything else. The cat is supposed to be "talking." I dunno. Lots of other people think it's a joke, you don't for some reason. If a picture of a cat seriously makes you think I'm some kind of angry person, then I'm not sure what to tell you. Most people, don't have that impression of me. Sure, the cat's ears are back, but it's trying to get the cat's mouth open to make it look like it is "speaking."
You've had a long history of this happening in thread....