You're backpedaling faster than you even know:
No, not a chance, I'm not backpedaling, I'll reassert.
"Good" = "glamorous" synonym in this instance.
Either directly address this statement or move on:
Good/Glamorous does not refer to the blue collar nature of the job.
Good/Glamorous refers to the pay, which is what you were trying to prove and you know it.
Either directly in simple terms ascribe things to actually back up your arguments or stop.
What?
I said: "I believe that line workers are among the best paid "blue collar" jobs that you can get"
And you implied that means I think their jobs are glamorous/good. I never said "good" "glamorous" "work conditions" or any of what you are trying to pin on me.
Blue collar to me (and everyone I know) means manual labor, usually hourly pay. Being paid well/best does not automatically infer great working environments. (It usually means the opposite.)
As for strawmen, what was that about avatars? Vector's is usually pie. The avatar doesn't mean anything and you know it.
Who said anything about Vector? Your avatar is a self selected/imposed image. The way you want others to see you. If I put up an avatar of a GOP logo, you'd assume I was a Republican supporter. By having a cat bearing teeth, I subconsciously assign that image to your posts. For better or worse. It means something to me and for you to tell me it doesn't mean anything to me is ridiculous, at best. You want to tell me how I'm supposed to think?
Given a choice between hiring redundant linemen, and building a more resilient and harder to damage power grid, I would definitely choose the latter.
/Agree
/Disagree. Not redundant.
You don't have enough information to say that. You assume that there could be more and all resources are being used as efficiently as possible. I assume that there are people already sitting around waiting for work. Who is right?
I don't have enough to disagree but you have enough to agree? I included lines upon lines of explanations and you included a single word but I don't have enough?
You included links to job hazards. You did not provide resources that stated that linesmen were upset a the workload. I have talked to people in the field and I get the opposite impression.
Let me quote you:
This is the problem with America, people don't know half of what they think they do, look at a website without knowing anything...
Subjectivity:People cannot read your mind and understand your words as their ordinary meaning. That you have a subjective, internal meaning inside your mind, doesn't mean people have to read your mind, they can't. Rather it means you have to express this in words....
The Good/Glamorous thing:I'm not implying anything, western civilization and common usage do. "Among the best paid," jobs are good/glamorous jobs in common usage. Yes or no? The answer is yes.... You've had this problem before on this thread, people will read your words and ascribe the common everyday meaning to them. You know or should know this. Your subjective, internal meaning can't be known by people reading your words. Your readers will be ordinary reasonable people understanding your words in their ordinary reasonable meanings
Is "Among the Best Paid," A.) Good, B.) Bad, or C.) Neutral in common usage?
Your words, weren't talking about the catagory of the job as "blue or white collar." The only words you have are about the PAY, not the manual or non manual nature of the job.
You saying your comments were about "blue collar" is wrong, because your words and your citation, only go to PAY.... You may subjectively, internally, mean something else, but if so you have failed to describe this outside your mind where the rest of us can read it.
Avatars:You brought in avatars as a strawman. I mean mine as a joke, and most people take it that way, the punchline is "this is why we can't have nice things." Do you think most people actually believe the cat is saying that? No. You're grasping and running out of points so you're attacking my aesthetic choices, which you know have no bearing on this argument. I brought in vector's avatar as an example. The fact that she has pie as an avatar doesn't detract from or add to her arguments. The fact that I have a cat jokingly saying "this is why we can't have nice things." doesn't detract from mine. Most people here have cartoons as avatars, what does that "say about them?"
This is the same point as the "Good:" header above, that it means something to
you doesn't register. Common, Ordinary, Meaning, because I can't read your mind and no one else can either. Until and unless you spell out your thoughts, no one knows what you mean.
You included links to job hazards. You did not provide resources that stated that linesmen were upset a the workload. I have talked to people in the field and I get the opposite impression.
My whole point wasn't that linemen, were upset about the work, my point was that people without power would like it sooner and hiring more linemen would get that done sooner. My point was it doesn't matter if the individual linemen are stressed in this case, there need to be more of them, because a.) they they can't work faster without risking injury, b.) there are people without power for days or weeks.
Truean: redundant does not mean "replace them all with machines"
Granted, and yet the point remains with less exaggeration. The magic answer isn't always and can't always be "reduce labor" because those people still need jobs....