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[kaijyuu]

If breaking this is really your goal, what you should be aiming for is making it law then men need to take at least 6 months off work to care for your children. THEN watch the situation change.

But no, you'd never see anyone pushing for a law like that because it is reasonable, effective (it would actually accomplish the stated goals, and fairly quickly), and justifiable (parents SHOULD have to spend time taking care of their children if they decide to have children).

You have no idea how ecstatic I'd be if something like that were put into effect.

[Bauglir]

I was assuming that someone who applies for a job is at least somewhat qualified

I see you have not spent much time trying to hire people. Especially in, say, computer science, where the majority of applicants for any given position will have no ability to program.

Wait, what, really? Are you telling me I should've been applying for all these computer science jobs I keep seeing because my one semester of Java-for-non-CompSci-majors actually makes me more qualified than the majority of applicants? *head asplode*

[Nadaka]

How is hiring the most qualified applicant for a job oppressing women?

Well, for example, a woman with the same credentials can be disqualified for reasons of menstruation, or potential baby-making in the future (no matter what she says now).

That isn't strictly a case of hiring the most qualified applicant.

[Vector]

To some people, it honestly is.

[Virex]

How is hiring the most qualified applicant for a job oppressing women?

Well, for example, a woman with the same credentials can be disqualified for reasons of menstruation, or potential baby-making in the future (no matter what she says now).

That isn't strictly a case of hiring the most qualified applicant.

Even to an unbiased source, expected expenses as well as social factors are to be weighed in with the scholarly qualifications and work experience of a person. People who are expected to be ill more often have a lower chance of being hired and some people think women are more prone to being sick.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

Virex, your arguments before in this thread lead me to think you have a really overblown idea of sexist attitudes in society. I've never met anyone who thinks women are more prone to getting sick than men.

[scriver]

Yeah, Glyph has the idea. I'd go even further and mandate a 50-50 split (or around it, at least, like 40% minimum for both) in parental (is there no gender-neutral alike-word for maternity/paternity? parenternity?) leave. Makes everyone just as likely to go away because of sudden child syndrome. Forcing people to hire X% women because you don't want them to be discriminated because of childing is a rather roundabout and inefficient way to go.

Virex, your arguments before in this thread lead me to think you have a really overblown idea of sexist attitudes in society. I've never met anyone who thinks women are more prone to getting sick than men.

I have. Many, though it's seldom said outright. More prone to migraine and being generally more frail as well.

[Truean]

http://news.yahoo.com/obama-criticizes-gop-presidential-rivals-taxes-185423400.html

"Obama recalled a moment in last week's GOP presidential debate when all eight of the candidates said they would refuse to support a deal with tax increases, even if tax revenues were outweighed 10-to-1 by spending cuts."

So, even an overwhelming victory for your side isn't enough unless we all completely bow down to your ideology...? $10 spending cuts to every $1 in taxes isn't even acceptable?

They love the country, and support the troops but refuse to pay for either....

[G-Flex]

Virex, your arguments before in this thread lead me to think you have a really overblown idea of sexist attitudes in society. I've never met anyone who thinks women are more prone to getting sick than men.

Most sexism is hardly overt, and is more about expectations, both subconscious and conscious.


Here's a really stupid, inconsequential example: When I was living with my dad and his girlfriend, and I was in a room with his girlfriend, and she saw a bug somewhere, she would ask me to get it. Personally, I hate squashing bugs, but I'm male, so I'm expected to care less about doing it than her, so asking me is just a given. Yeah, like I said, an inconsequential example, but it illustrates the point that what people expect out of different genders (or other groups) isn't always particularly conscious or obvious.

[Vector]

Total bullshit.

Oh, and by the way... all 8 GOP candidates?

[Nadaka]

CNN right now, content is relevant to a previous argument.

Long story short: fundamentalist Christians really do advocate child abuse and it is finally getting some media attention.

Note the book "To train up a child" and themurder of a young adopted girl and torter of her other adopted siblings.

[Vector]

Fat and medical care.

Maybe we're finally making some progress.  Linked to blog rather than article for edifying context.

[kaijyuu]

Isn't there an extremely strong link between obesity and type 2 diabetes, among other illnesses?


I'll completely accept that doctors will misdiagnose and blame something on obesity when it isn't, but they're just following what they do for any diagnosis: occam's razor. The most obvious problem is probably the cause. Will they be wrong sometimes? Of course. Will they be wrong more often than they should? Maybe, maybe not, and I think that warrants investigation. However, it sure as hell isn't a sign that there's nothing unhealthy or risky about being overweight.

[Vector]

I'd read the comments in the thread.

Doctors telling people to lose weight to fix their damaged knee by running?  That is stupid.

[Bauglir]

Such doctors should be smote upon the mountainside, ideally by Gandalfs. Failing that, though, some meaningful punishment, although I'm not sure what that qualifies as in the world of medical professionals.

It is important to prevent conflating reasonable diagnoses that happen to be wrong with blind adherence to a paradigm, but I am unsure if that's what's happening here. At least in the example in the actual post (haven't read comments yet), I feel like a herniated disk should have been more noticeable with a proper physical since she was complaining of it specifically, but then, I'm not sure how tough it is to find those. So I could be wrong, but it sounds like there's a legitimate problem there.