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[Bauglir]

I'll be honest, there are a lot of people who will be swayed by 100 bucks each, even if it's in average advertising per person.

[Heron TSG]

True, but you don't need money, you need to be convincing. Money can be convincing, but it's not required. I've organized protests at city hall to try and get our current moneygrubbing corrupt bastard of a mayor out of office, and I didn't pay anyone a dime. I just brought my soapbox. I think I've made at least a small impact.

[Andir]

I just bought a house and I got a letter on my mailbox the other day.  At the end of this month there is a vote to oust one of the HOA board members.  The simple fact that I got a letter with reasons and complaints (with the owners of said complaints) makes me want to find out more.

IE: A simple letter drive does invoke action.

[Leafsnail]

You mean all speech?  There's still no way to know that "wheat" implies "death" when someone writes that word to someone else.  That's my argument.  You can't filter out hate speech.

I'll say it again: the fact that you cannot perfectly remove all hate speech doesn't mean you shouldn't try to stop the examples which you can.  For instance, you can prevent people from making mass calls to violence in newspapers.

If codes are involved, that implies some kind of plot - and yes, plotting to murder someone (or a group of people) is illegal and will be prosecuted if possible.

[GlyphGryph]

As far as the trans as a disorder disorder thing, here's my 2 cents:

If the person wants or needs treatment of some sort in order to resolve their issues, it's probably safe to call it a disorder.

If all they want or need is social acceptance, then it's probably not.

As to whether its a physical/mental disorder - I'm pretty sure its both, in its own way. However, since the disorder causes severe mental distress, rather than actual physical impairment, I'd lean towards mental disorder. The fact that mental disorders tend to have a stigma attached to them is a whole 'nother can of worms, so I can see why people would want to reclassify it for practical reasons.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

As far as the trans as a disorder disorder thing, here's my 2 cents:

If the person wants or needs treatment of some sort in order to resolve their issues, it's probably safe to call it a disorder.

If all they want or need is social acceptance, then it's probably not.

As to whether its a physical/mental disorder - I'm pretty sure its both, in its own way. However, since the disorder causes severe mental distress, rather than actual physical impairment, I'd lean towards mental disorder. The fact that mental disorders tend to have a stigma attached to them is a whole 'nother can of worms, so I can see why people would want to reclassify it for practical reasons.

Psychological Disorders are classified by the UMAD Protocol (Yes, really.). All four of these must apply for something to be a disorder.

Unjustifiable
Maladjusted
Atypical
Disturbing (To Society and Self)

The last one is what's relevant here. You have to not want your disorder for it to be a disorder. This argument is what got Homosexuality removed from the DSM.

[G-Flex]

Psychological Disorders are classified by the UMAD Protocol (Yes, really.). All four of these must apply for something to be a disorder.

Unjustifiable
Maladjusted
Atypical
Disturbing (To Society and Self)

The last one is what's relevant here. You have to not want your disorder for it to be a disorder. This argument is what got Homosexuality removed from the DSM.

Er, what is that protocol? I seriously can't find any information on it.

And if we're talking about the kind of transsexual-related disorder I was mentioning earlier... yes, that satisfies the end criterion. Transsexuals don't want their brains to think they have body parts they don't, or not think they have body parts that they do.

[Andir]

You mean all speech?  There's still no way to know that "wheat" implies "death" when someone writes that word to someone else.  That's my argument.  You can't filter out hate speech.

For instance, you can prevent people from making mass calls to violence in newspapers.

I cannot recall this being a headline in any newspapers in recent years.  Can you direct me to where this is happening?

[Leafsnail]

I said you can prevent people from doing it.  Since it's clearly against the law and so easy to catch people who do it, it doesn't generally happen.

[Andir]

I said you can prevent people from doing it.  Since it's clearly against the law and so easy to catch people who do it, it doesn't generally happen.

Sure, but that doesn't require censoring hate speech.

[Leafsnail]

Uh... what I said did involve censoring hate speech (and punishing those responsible).  I don't get what you're trying to say.

[Bauglir]

Wait, there's an actual protocol that is abbreviated "U MAD"? Damn, 4chan must have had a field day. In seriousness, though, I am unfamiliar with that one. Is that actually part of the DSM?

[MetalSlimeHunt]

Wait, there's an actual protocol that is abbreviated "U MAD"? Damn, 4chan must have had a field day. In seriousness, though, I am unfamiliar with that one. Is that actually part of the DSM?

That's what my school's AP Psychology class says.

[G-Flex]

I can't find any information on it, so I'm calling shenanigans.

[Vector]

*shrug*

It's what I learned, as well.


For reference, France has declassified the object of our discussion as a mental illness.  Did so in 2010.