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Re: Chill and Relaxed Progressive Irritation and Annoyance Thread
« Reply #7830 on: November 30, 2011, 06:01:04 pm »

"Babich said she had “very many” friends who are gay, but all of them led “covert” lifestyles, and advised that LGBT people should act so as not to be visible to the public."

You don't have a damn gay friend and you know or should know it.... Anyone at all who says this, does not have a gay FRIEND. They have a gay person who manages to barely tolerate them when absolutely necessary. That is of course, assuming she's not lying outright and literally doesn't know any gay people. I bet she's lying outright....

I've seen this shit before with my Dad. He likes to preface his racist statements with, "I have black friends." He does not; it's CYA.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HideYourLesbians

​    “One of the books that I have starts like this: The issue of same-sex love is somewhat like the Jewish problem. When there are too many Jews — in every field of management, on television, in the arts, everywhere — it ends badly for Jews themselves. They [Jews] always make efforts to regulate this aspect.”

The bill — which would fine groups and individuals for “public actions aimed at propaganda of pederasty, lesbianism, bisexuality, and transgenderism among minors” — has passed the first of three readings, but has stalled as lawmakers work to agree on specific language. The second reading had been tentatively set for Nov. 30, but has now been postponed “until after parliamentary polls on December 4.”

She's pretty much saying Jews are responsible for anti-semitism by being too visible? Also gays are responsible for homophobia for being too visible too. Wow.... That just.... Fuck her. Love how we're pedophiles too, cause you know, that's what pederasty means....

Why don't you just make it acceptable to kill someone because they're gay again, like Harvey Milk? O wait, maybe they did?
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Re: Chill and Relaxed Progressive Irritation and Annoyance Thread
« Reply #7831 on: December 01, 2011, 02:03:27 am »

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Also, you seem to think the economic thing that is going on trumps all other concerns put together.

No, I seem to think fixing our system, which is clearly rotten to the core, is a problem that will and does trump all other problems, because if we lose there (and it is a fight - us versus the criminals, and the criminals are winning), if we lose there the rest of it isn't terribly important.
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Re: Chill and Relaxed Progressive Irritation and Annoyance Thread
« Reply #7832 on: December 01, 2011, 03:29:26 am »

that babich seems kind of a bi*ch.
hah the pun!
i wonder how many in the world already used it though.

gays lead to national extinction?
come on! we are no longer in the era of praying somebody for having a children, you grab a gay couple and a lesbian couple, you fertilize the woman with the gay sperm, through clinic trials, the two childrens are given one to the gay couple and one to the lesbo couple.
or there are women who are single and earn money by renting their uterus.
there, problem solved of national extinction.
you also regulize the work to be done, and voilà, steady income from paying for in vitro fertilization.
and no need for adoptions, too.
was it that hard?
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Re: Chill and Relaxed Progressive Irritation and Annoyance Thread
« Reply #7833 on: December 01, 2011, 04:02:11 am »

gays lead to national extinction?
come on! we are no longer in the era of praying somebody for having a children, you grab a gay couple and a lesbian couple, you fertilize the woman with the gay sperm, through clinic trials, the two childrens are given one to the gay couple and one to the lesbo couple.
or there are women who are single and earn money by renting their uterus.
there, problem solved of national extinction.

You're giving them more ammunition by conceding that it's even a problem that needs to be solved. It isn't. Population is still going up in most places despite fewer people having children, and the amount of people who are homosexual isn't sufficient to cause serious population decline. In fact, there are enough unwanted children out there that we need more people adopting, not fewer.


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you also regulize the work to be done, and voilà, steady income from paying for in vitro fertilization.
and no need for adoptions, too.
was it that hard?

I'm not sure what "regulize" is supposed to mean here. At any rate, it's easier than that, because there isn't a problem in the first place, like I said.

And yes, there is need for adoptions. Always. The situation is pretty bad regarding that, at least in the US.
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Re: Chill and Relaxed Progressive Irritation and Annoyance Thread
« Reply #7834 on: December 01, 2011, 10:30:21 am »

While we discuss, the senate make it clear what would happen if you managed to shape it : Ladies and Gentleman we may soon be spared this tedious rhetoric about American freedom. Given that it won't exist in any way or shape.

And McCain is co-sponsor? I though the guy was sane.

You'd know what would be hilarious? The bill passing and Obama using it to detain the bill's sponsors. :p
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Re: Chill and Relaxed Progressive Irritation and Annoyance Thread
« Reply #7835 on: December 01, 2011, 02:57:09 pm »

ABC and Yahoo are conducting another republican debate tonight December 10th.

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20111130133739AAyv2aa

I have submitted my question early, though I doubt that it will get asked.

"I was born in a military family, most of my friends are or have been in the military, Department of Homeland Security or civil service. I myself work under contract for the Department of Defense. Serving this nation, its people and its constitution is my life. I am an American Patriot.

My question is this: Why do you want to destroy America's future with your fascist crony economics? Why do you want to reverse the progress of liberty and social justice that America has gained over the last few centuries? Why do you wish to weaken America by slashing social services and defense in order to enrich a few wealthy plutocrats?

In brief: Why do you hate America? And why are you working so hard to destroy it?"
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Re: Chill and Relaxed Progressive Irritation and Annoyance Thread
« Reply #7836 on: December 01, 2011, 04:35:17 pm »

The representatives taking a stance on something is no different then the party taking a stance on something.

No it isn't. It is called a vote of conscience. There are times when a party will not ask its members to hold a particular line, and each representative may choose their personal view. It is RARE between the Democrats and Republicans with their polar approach to nearly every topic. But it is certainly an option, especially so if you go in with a very focused agenda.

I really hope it can be called a vote of sense....

You simply don't necessarily have to be always on one side of the issue or another. That's over-simplistic in an overcomplicated world. This is the idea behind the fix case law provides to rigid statutory law. The legislature simply can not anticipate all applications and problems of the law, and this is what courts and lawyers iron out later through case law and trying cases. It is a reasonable approach, because otherwise, already incredibly lengthy laws would be immeasurably longer than they already are.... Even then, the provisions would by definition conflict at some point if you get into enough detail.

My stances on many things simply don't fit into well defined roles, especially not those of current American Politics. I like to think that unlike American Politics, I at least kind of make sense. I do generally believe in freedom of choice unless you're harming other people. My definition of "harming other people," might be considered overly broad by other people's standards. Sensibly, it operates on a continuum from more generally agreeable to less depending on the person I'm speaking to. Example:

More agreeable to the average listener:
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1.) Profits are fine. However, profit should take a backseat to blatant environmental concerns like dumping known toxic carcinogens into waterways. It causes direct, traceable and legally actionable harm: cancer.
2.) Corporations controlling their own interests is fine. However, they should have a duty to report their goings on in light of historical and current economic crashes caused by imperfect information (Neoclassical Free Market Economics assumes perfect information anyhow). This includes forcing them to hire accountants
3.) Personal choice is fine and people should generally have control over their own reproductive rights. However, if you are octomom and have 8 kids you can't freaking afford, then not ok. Even if you are rich and have 18 kids, it's still not ok. Either way you're hogging resources and causing scarcity
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See how none of these propositions fit on a bumper sticker or in slogan form like all the political BS you hear today? That's because life doesn't fit on a bumper sticker or in a slogans, so solutions to its problems can't either. Life is complicated and is full of exceptions, so the solutions must also be complicated and meet those exceptions.

Saying you like "Economic Freedom," or "Income equality," means so very little in reality, yet people think it means so much. Worse it does mean a lot of different things to a lot of different people. They seem to think they are all in agreement, but in reality not at all.

This is what happened to Obama's "Hope and Change." Everyone internalized the message and gave it their own subjective meaning. All of those internal subjective meanings were different between different people and some necessarily conflicted. Thus, inevitably due to those conflicts, people were NEVER going to be happy with this idea.

This is why in a rational world, people necessarily "flip flop" but seeing as we don't appear to live in that world....
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Re: Chill and Relaxed Progressive Irritation and Annoyance Thread
« Reply #7837 on: December 01, 2011, 04:54:25 pm »

Anyone seen this yet?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-15982466

Basically, the iPhone seems to disagree with abortion...

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« Reply #7838 on: December 01, 2011, 05:04:56 pm »

Not really. Siri's responses come from a static database of locations and addresses. Abortion clinics were simply overlooked, as probably are a number of other things.
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« Reply #7839 on: December 01, 2011, 05:08:21 pm »

Yea, its just highly unfortunate what it does return as search requests when prompted though isnt it, especially when given quite specific data. Easy to see how it could be seen in a negative light.

Edit: Digging around some links to this story show Siri's abilities to be kinda creepy - apparently when asked where to hide a body, it responded by asking what sort of place the user was looking for. Probably a lack of context sensetive response there from the software... I hope.
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« Reply #7840 on: December 01, 2011, 05:29:03 pm »

Yea, its just highly unfortunate what it does return as search requests when prompted though isnt it, especially when given quite specific data. Easy to see how it could be seen in a negative light.

Edit: Digging around some links to this story show Siri's abilities to be kinda creepy - apparently when asked where to hide a body, it responded by asking what sort of place the user was looking for. Probably a lack of context sensetive response there from the software... I hope.

Shhh. Don't you see? We're trying to catch people stupid enough to ask their IPhones where to hide bodies? Yes, yes that's it, tell the recording device IPhone exactly where you plan to dig....

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Re: Chill and Relaxed Progressive Irritation and Annoyance Thread
« Reply #7841 on: December 01, 2011, 05:32:32 pm »

Edit: Digging around some links to this story show Siri's abilities to be kinda creepy - apparently when asked where to hide a body, it responded by asking what sort of place the user was looking for. Probably a lack of context sensetive response there from the software... I hope.
Actually, it will point you to abandoned mines and rock quarries if there any nearby when you ask it that.
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« Reply #7842 on: December 01, 2011, 05:56:19 pm »

Edit: Digging around some links to this story show Siri's abilities to be kinda creepy - apparently when asked where to hide a body, it responded by asking what sort of place the user was looking for. Probably a lack of context sensetive response there from the software... I hope.
Actually, it will point you to abandoned mines and rock quarries if there any nearby when you ask it that.

O dude, I wonder if that electronic search data is legally discoverable as evidence.... :P I really do and I'm almost positive there isn't a lot of precedent on it to say one way or the other. It would necessarily depend on the circumstances but wow. Whole new load of stuff to worry about. :)

Prosecutor: Do you own a device called an "IPhone?"
Defendant: "Yes."
Prosecutor: "This 'IPhone' can be used as a cell phone and to perform searches for data?"
Defendant: "Yes."
Prosecutor:"And searching for data could include searching for locations on a map?"
Defendant: "Yes."
Prosecutor:"Do you remember making any searches for locations on a map on the night in question?"
Defendant: "Yes."
Prosecutor:"Do you recall what locations you searched for?"
Defendant:"Not really, that was a few months ago."
Prosecutor: "I'm showing defense counsel and your honor a record log of phone data to be entered into evidence as people's exhibit J."
Prosecutor: "Do you think if you saw a record from the phone company AT&T of the searches you made on your phone that it might refresh your recollection?"
Defendant: "I guess so."
Prosecutor: [Lets defendant read record log] "Do you now recall making specific searches or a search on the night in question."
[Defedant gets real freaking quiet when one of the lines on the search says "abandoned mine shaft" given that's where the body was found.....]
Me (under my breath): "Shit."

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Also: http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/upshot/student-questions-bachmann-gay-rights-220036387.html

"Bachmann responded that all Americans should and do have the same rights, which drew a smattering of applause. The student responded: "Well, why can't same-sex couples get married?"  Bachmann responded that gay men and lesbians do in fact have the same rights as everyone else because they can marry members of the opposite sex. So, a gay man could marry a woman. And a lesbian woman could marry a man. Even though they are gay."

Translation: I can commit fraud by marrying a woman and saying "I do."

Even if marriage is sacred, then doing so for a fraudulent reason is sacrilege.

Any way she cuts it; she loses....

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/sideshow/kentucky-church-bans-interracial-marriage-150009470.html

And while we're talking about marriage bans.... There's another "traditional" definition of marriage....
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Re: Chill and Relaxed Progressive Irritation and Annoyance Thread
« Reply #7843 on: December 01, 2011, 11:35:47 pm »

The 'marriage is a religious institution' thing is complete bull. That argument makes the assumption that the arguer's religion decides the definition of religious terms that are shared by many religions and societies.
It is as if some christian group tried to define prayer exclusively as a relationship between one mortal and the god YHWH. (Though I rather suspect some groups do exactly that.)
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Re: Chill and Relaxed Progressive Irritation and Annoyance Thread
« Reply #7844 on: December 01, 2011, 11:45:44 pm »

If marriage was a purely religious institution, why is bigamy/polygamy illegal? And what if someones religion is ok with gay marriage?
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