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[Andir]

You are the one baiting, by claiming I intended my post to be an insult when it was not.  I'm not arguing this again.

[Truean]

You are the one baiting, by claiming I intended my post to be an insult when it was not.  I'm not arguing this again.

You use insulting words in your posts; this is a problem. You use insulting words repeatedly while being repeatedly asked not to, people will take it as an insult and you know or should know this.

No, I'm not, you've done it repeatedly and claimed everyone else is to blame, repeatedly. I'm moving on until you do it again, I suggest we both do.

[Truean]

Suggested Subjects:

Why does this keep happening? Is there something education misses systematically?
http://finance.yahoo.com/career-work/article/113248/biggest-businesses-by-college-dropouts-cnbc
http://shine.yahoo.com/event/backtoschool/10-reasons-to-skip-the-expensive-colleges-2518407/
(I know it's not the most reputable source, but they have some decent points)

Health Care Reform in the US.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Appeals-court-strikes-health-apf-2954064794.html?x=0

[Vector]

 

It's mostly scare tactics and stupid bullshit.  Of course not every single person from a Princeton graduating class is going to end up rich and famous.

[ChairmanPoo]

Yeah. Of course people can succeed outside the university system. That doesn't mean that most college dropouts will, in fact, or thwt it is easier  to prosper in academic fields outside university than inside. The contrary is likely true

[Truean]

It's mostly scare tactics and stupid bullshit.  Of course not every single person from a Princeton graduating class is going to end up rich and famous.

Yeah I agree with most of what you're saying, but, I do think there is a disconnect in teaching practical things in school for the average student. I mean, of course, it's just a bell curve, not many are going to reach the top, but.... I don't know, maybe it's just a problem with the career services department or the market being terrible right now.

Maybe I'm just biased by my own experiences and those of my friends, but I admit it freely.

[Leafsnail]

Indian- India, Pakistan, Turkey, etc.

Woah, this group contains itself and several other groups.  Crazy.

Also Turkey is nowhere near India.  The entire Middle East is between them.

And sorting by accent would require more distinctions than you've given.  For instance, you've put "British" as an accent when a super dour Scot and a posh Londoner are likely to sound extremely different.

[anzki4]

What was the point of that "racial list" to begin with?

[GlyphGryph]

Yeah. Of course people can succeed outside the university system. That doesn't mean that most college dropouts will, in fact, or thwt it is easier  to prosper in academic fields outside university than inside. The contrary is likely true

I think the lesson that is if you see an opportunity, you should take it and not let your "education" get in the way - that is what all these people did. They pursued education for as long as they thought it was in their best interest, and as soon as the opportunity came for success, they seized it. And all of them had proved by that point they didn't really need it - they were perfectly capable of learning on their own.

Even for many on that list, though, college wasn't worthless - one of the benefits of the Ivy Leagues is the people you meet, and you don't need to actually finish a degree to get those contacts. If you've met who you went there to meet, why keep paying for it, right?

[Leafsnail]

To prove this point, Hacker and Dreifus tracked the 900-odd students who graduated from Princeton in 1973 to see if the school was delivering on its promise “to prepare students for positions of leadership,” whether in business, public service, or the arts, which Princeton administrators claim as their goal. “We were very disappointed,” Hacker says. “There were only a handful of recognized names in that class of 900. What that tells us is simply this: In America, if you put your talents to their best use, by the age of 35 or 36, you’ll be passing people from Princeton, no matter where you went to school.”

This is either a bad piece of research or a very poorly presented one.  The promise to prepare students for positions of leaderships is not a guarantee that all students (or even a "handful" of them) will go on to be "recognized names".  You can hold a position of leadership without being recognizable, or be successful without having a position of leadership.

The conclusion is also very vague - what exactly does it mean by "put your talents to best use"?  There's no explanation for what it means by this, so as far as I can tell it's just saying "If you are very successful then you will be more successful than some of the people who went to Princeton".  Well... yeah.  I'd hope that there isn't an absolute line dividing those who went to Princeton and those who didn't.

The point about research is also odd - I mean, sure, they'll want to research, but wouldn't they also want to be training more researchers for themselves?  I mean, some of the research universities I've visited give undergrads a chance to research sometimes.

[Vector]

I personally think that stuff is kind of bullshit.  I don't trust a career teacher to be able to prepare me for research work, and in my experience it really was the big research names who prepared the most exhaustive lectures.

Bleh.  Oh, well...

[G-Flex]

Essay about "black hipsters."

The act of being a hipster defies race. unless there is a culture that wears non-prescription glasses and sits on the curb drinking PBR, in which case I am sadly mistaken.

I'd like to think that there are not these terms like "Black America" and "Hispanic America" floating around, like we have different countries that make up the USA. And yet people seem to think that.

For example, I live in a medium-sized town in Georgia. When I think of the bad places in town (For this case we call it "Frogtown". I have no idea why) I don't think "The place where black people are", I think "Christ, that guy looks like a hobo. He must be from Frogtown". It doesn't matter if that man is White, Black, South american, Spanish, or any other race. He's creepy and chances are he's drunk as a mother fucker.

Spoiler: Unrelated speculation about racial tags (May be offensive?) (click to show/hide)

as you can see, I have a weird way of looking at things. Racial tags are no exception. I generally sort races into colors, then sort that by accent.

White people I generally fit under a big WHITE header, but there are many different cultures. I sort it into...

Oceanic- Britian, Australia, New Zealand, South Africa

North American- Canada, America

Eurasian- Russia, Ukraine, etc.

Baltic- Finland, Sweden, Iceland, etc.

West European- (Can be infinitley sorted down into other accents)

Black people I put under the BLACK header. I sort it like...

American- America. duh.

Caribbean- Jamaica, Haiti, etc.

African- Egypt, Sudan, etc.

Hispanic people I sort under SPANISH, sorted down to...

Spanish- Spain, Portrugal, Mexico.

Central American- Puerto Rico, Dominican republic, etc.

South American- The entirety of South America, really.

Oriental (stupid name, btw) I sort under ASAIN, which goes...

Chinese- Mandrin, Mongolia, and China

SEasian- Vietnam, Korea, etc.

Japanese- the great weaboo state, Japan. I really dislike japan.

Islander- Hawaii, and in general all pacific islands.

Finally you have MIDDLE EASTERN, which is sorted...

Middle- Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, etc.

Indian- India, Pakistan, Turkey, etc.


And that's it.

You act like you're all post-racial or something, but clearly have no idea how ethnicities can/should/would actually be classified or how they affect life and culture. I would say more, but I don't have the time right now and don't feel like getting upset about it. The entire thing is bullshit, you think "American" is a race, you have no idea what "Mandarin" means, and you insulted an entire nation/people (Japan). Damn near everything about this list is ill-research, just plain wrong, otherwise ignorant, or morally reprehensible. I would have reported the post but I don't feel like this thread can survive with more moderator attention right now.

Also: The reason people say things like "Black America" is because they are referring to a particular culture within US culture. They exist; deal with it.

[Siquo]

Damn near everything about this list is ill-research, just plain wrong, otherwise ignorant, or morally reprehensible. I would have reported the post but I don't feel like this thread can survive with more moderator attention right now.

In his defense, it' obvious he means "look, these are my prejudices and generalisations (both words imply 'wrong', not 'well-researched')". Admitting that you have them doesn't make you a bad person.

Plus that he's kinda right about Japan. Damn pokemon should die DIE DIE oh wait I just remembered not to post in this thread while drinking.

[Leafsnail]

Yeah, but your prejudices and generalisations should at least make sense.  If they don't, it's perfectly reasonable to challenge them.

[Truean]

And then there's whatever the crap this is:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,396362,00.html
http://www.clickorlando.com/slideshow/education/17036681/detail.html

Refuge in absurdity:
First of all. Prison uniforms should be bright colors, like orange to make it hard for prisoners to escape
http://www.costumeshop.us.com/orange_prison_jumpsuit_47985_prd1.htm
The thing they are talking about is black... dark blue? So if you use your patented shiv to escape, you can easily blend in at night? This looks like work coveralls, which as the article notes, is a tad insulting given that if work coveralls = prison uniforms, that has a negative implication on honest people with jobs requiring coveralls.  The district didn't have to use the term "prison" anywhere in there. Naturally, they just had to make sure the "jumpsuits" were both made by prison inmates and styled after the prison uniforms they are forced to wear. Come one, come all, into 1984....

I love this kid:
The senior class president, Jordan Meredith, said some students plan to turn the policy on its head — instead of considering the jumpsuits a punishment, they'll make them cool.

"I don't think that jumpsuits are going to work, because my friends actually, instead of it being a punishment, they'll see it as an opportunity to be like, rebels," said Meredith, who also isn't sure whether his hair, dyed bright fire-engine red, will pass muster. "I don't think there's going to be enough jumpsuits for everyone in the school."

This hits the guys in the district purchasing department right in the wallet.

This school can basically kiss the idea of any alumni donations goodbye....

Because wearing everyday street clothes is distracting, but a prison inmate uniform... is not?