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[Virex]

Fuck can be used as a slur, yet given the right settings, I won't hesitate to use it. Just because something can be used as a slur, doesn't mean it always it.

Fuck isn't structurally used as a group-associated slur though. Very few people would associated "a fucker" with a specific social or ethnic group.

[G-Flex]

But nigger has a some what clear definition as a black slave, and we can all agree that "slave" is not a very positive term.

• I live in the United States, and I do not think that "slave" is a part of the definition of the n-word. That being said, it's still a pretty horrible word very clearly associated with black people.
• I am not racist for associating the word "gypsy" with a specific ethnic group, because it still refers primarily to them even if it has picked up other meanings, and those other meanings come from stereotypical portrayals of them.

You seem to be ignoring the parts of the argument where we've made it clear that the word is still associated with a specific ethnic group in most of the anglophone world, if not all of it, and where we made it clear how prejudice and stereotyping against said group is still a problem. If you continue to deny these things, that might be a problem, as it is rather horribly insensitive of you to do so at this point. A Roma person living in your area would still interpret the word "gypsy" as referring to them, as the majority of people here seem to do.

There are contexts where "gypsy" may be acceptable. However, I have adequately described why referring to people who happen to satisfy a stereotypical quality of the Roma people does not count as an acceptable context, and why this kind of behave can be actively harmful, even in the modern age and even in Australia.

[Tellemurius]

In exchange for the "rescue", Greece will appoint an EU elected group that will have veto power over executive budget decisions, and also make sure that the first priority for those funds is to pay the interests of the Greek debt.

So remind me again: who are the European countries behind this rescuing exactly? Greece? Or Germany?

Any country throwing money at Greece really, i really don't know whats in store for them, their people don't want the new measures but the EU won't give them shit if they don't comply with them.

[Max White]

There are contexts where "gypsy" may be acceptable. However, I have adequately described why referring to people who happen to satisfy a stereotypical quality of the Roma people does not count as an acceptable context, and why this kind of behave can be actively harmful, even in the modern age and even in Australia.

Use it in context, without being a bigot then. Give me an example.

[MonkeyHead]

Shold the Rich Prior/Chris Rock use of the word "Nigger" be brought up as relevant now? Granted it is as a comedic tool but used as a clear noun, and as an adjective...

[G-Flex]

There are contexts where "gypsy" may be acceptable. However, I have adequately described why referring to people who happen to satisfy a stereotypical quality of the Roma people does not count as an acceptable context, and why this kind of behave can be actively harmful, even in the modern age and even in Australia.

Use it in context, without being a bigot then. Give me an example.

Well, if you're actually referring to the Roma people, "Gypsy" may or may not be seen as an offensive term. It depends on who you're talking to, probably.

[Virex]

There are contexts where "gypsy" may be acceptable. However, I have adequately described why referring to people who happen to satisfy a stereotypical quality of the Roma people does not count as an acceptable context, and why this kind of behave can be actively harmful, even in the modern age and even in Australia.

Use it in context, without being a bigot then. Give me an example.

"The Roma were, and often still are, prosecuted in Europe for the 'crime' of being gypsies" could count, depending on your audience.

[Max White]

Well, if you're actually referring to the Roma people, "Gypsy" may or may not be seen as an offensive term. It depends on who you're talking to, probably.

No I am not referring to any race of people, I am asking you to use the word in a sentence. Let me make this clear, when I say gypsy, I am not now, never was, and never will be referring to the Roma people.

"The Roma were, and often still are, prosecuted in Europe for the 'crime' of being gypsies"

The standard protocol for examples in grammar when nouns are involved is to make them the subject, not object.

[G-Flex]

Well, if you're actually referring to the Roma people, "Gypsy" may or may not be seen as an offensive term. It depends on who you're talking to, probably.

No I am not referring to any race of people, I am asking you to use the word in a sentence. Let me make this clear, when I say gypsy, I am not now, never was, and never will be referring to the Roma people.

... Um. That's exactly what I was doing. I was giving you an example of a case where I might consider it acceptable. I was not being accusatory and that wasn't a statement about you.

Also: At this point, if you continue to use the term "gypsy" on this forum to refer to the sort of thing you were referring to in your original post using the word, you are definitely the one in the wrong here.

The standard protocol for examples in grammar when nouns are involved is to make them the subject, not object.

What the hell are you even trying to accomplish here? Why are you doing this? Why are you even asking for specific examples?

[Max White]

So what do you think I was referring to in the original post? Do you think I was trying to say Vector is of a specific decent?

What the hell are you even trying to accomplish here? Why are you doing this? Why are you even asking for specific examples?

Virex knows what he is doing, if he is going to be like that, why play nice? 

[ChairmanPoo]

In exchange for the "rescue", Greece will appoint an EU elected group that will have veto power over executive budget decisions, and also make sure that the first priority for those funds is to pay the interests of the Greek debt.

So remind me again: who are the European countries behind this rescuing exactly? Greece? Or Germany?

Any country throwing money at Greece really, i really don't know whats in store for them, their people don't want the new measures but the EU won't give them shit if they don't comply with them.

I'd feel happier if I felt we were actually helping the Greeks. As it is it feels like a scam where everyone, including Greece loses but the ones who came up with this stuff in the first place (and whom, I suspect, are secretly afraid that Greece will eventually do like Iceland and give them the finger). I'm beggining to think that not only were the british right in keeping theirs, but that restoring national currencies wouldn't be such a bad idea.

[RedKing]

In exchange for the "rescue", Greece will appoint an EU elected group that will have veto power over executive budget decisions, and also make sure that the first priority for those funds is to pay the interests of the Greek debt.

So remind me again: who are the European countries behind this rescuing exactly? Greece? Or Germany?

Any country throwing money at Greece really, i really don't know whats in store for them, their people don't want the new measures but the EU won't give them shit if they don't comply with them.

Yeah, but the Greek government has already agreed to fairly insane amount of austerity measures, probably more than they can deliver. Because they have parliamentary elections in a couple of months, and I'd be almost certain to expect the ruling socialists to get defeated, and replaced by either a far-right party (LA.O.S.), a far-left party (Communists or SYRIZA) or some sort of bizarre coalition between the far-right and far-left (both of which have stated they'd tell Europe to fuck off and take Greece into default and/or out of the Eurozone). So in some ways, this may all be a moot point and Greece may choose to implode in a few months anyways.

At some point, you hit diminishing returns, where any further cuts are just going to cripple the economy more than you'll save in expenditures.

[penguinofhonor]

So what do you think I was referring to in the original post? Do you think I was trying to say Vector is of a specific decent?

It looked like you were referring to the gypsies as the happy traveling/singing people, which is

A) Only one aspect of their culture.
B) Kind of a caricature.

That, in my opinion, is where the problem with defining gypsy like that lies. The word has these racial connections and you can't get rid of them, and if you're using other aspects they still rely on the racist roots.

[Max White]

Whos culture?

[Tellemurius]

Poor bastards, what are the circumstances if a country defaults?