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[blackmagechill]

I just read about ten articles about the bitchfest that is digital piracy. I saw something about cyber terrorism on the news, and then my little brothers were watching cartoons and a commercial about cyber bullying came on. What, is the internet a world of vices and explodingvan.gifs? I'm sick of every big group trying to censor or change the internet. I have to be nice to everyone on the internet or I'm a murderer, if I have a copy of bittorrent on my computer I'm a thief, and if I laugh at a DoS on the RIAA (which was pretty sweet) I'm a cyber terrorist. Why does it have to be that you CARE about any of this stuff? That's a big part of the internet: it's not real, so don't sweat it. I mean sure, wah, digital piracy losing half our profits, but you're still living like kings,so why does it matter? What's the problem with injecting competition into the industry, Hmm? The issue with Cyber bullying or bullying in general: If they can't deal with it as a kid, what makes you think they would be able to deal with it as an adult. 30 years ago, you wouldn't call the irritating kid a faggot, you'd throw rocks at him until he had bruises (I've heard these stories about a million times from people). Maybe, instead of bothering with the kids making fun of them WHICH WILL HAPPEN UNTIL THE END OF TIME, you should show the kid who's getting picked on that they don't usually mean those things, and if they do you shouldn't care. As for Cyber terrorism, well, I laugh at it. I'm not saying it should be legal, but the disgusting hives that breed it, sadly, should. If you can't say those things, then where do you draw the line?
Troll posts gogogogo.

[Zrk2]

The internet should be banned FOREVER!

Do you know who uses the internet? TERRORISTS!

Are you a terrorist? No? Then STAY OFF THE INTERNET!

OR THEY WILL CORRUPT YOU TO THEIR AMERRKA HATIN PLOTZ!

[Cheese]

People finally got over their fear of the internet, and now pressure groups are trying to bring it back again.

[G-Flex]

Maybe, instead of bothering with the kids making fun of them WHICH WILL HAPPEN UNTIL THE END OF TIME, you should show the kid who's getting picked on that they don't usually mean those things, and if they do you shouldn't care.

Way to trivialize a serious problem. Good luck telling kids to "not care" about how much their peers are ostracizing, bullying, or tormenting them. It's not that easy, never was, and never will be. It's also kind of disheartening how much you're blaming the victim here: If a kid gets bullied by his peers to the point of it destroying his self-image, he's to blame and not the actual perpetrators?

As for Cyber terrorism, well, I laugh at it. I'm not saying it should be legal, but the disgusting hives that breed it, sadly, should. If you can't say those things, then where do you draw the line?
Troll posts gogogogo.

If you can't say what things? What are you even talking about?

That's a big part of the internet: it's not real, so don't sweat it.

This really, really doesn't make any sense. How is the internet less "real" than any other medium or form of communication? "It's just the Internet" is an excuse used by trolls and shut-ins to justify hiding behind anonymity in order to act like dicks. It's a form of double-think that allows them to ostensibly sleep at night and exist as quasi-normal people in everday society while also acting like reprehensible assholes online. There is absolutely no reason why words, information, or other media on the Internet are less "real" than anything else. It's a tired argument, it's been debunked before, and it's just a bad excuse to be an ass. If you aren't familiar with the term "thought-terminating cliche", here's your chance to look it up.



At any rate, the reason the Internet is getting so much attention is because it's still young. Legally and socially speaking, we still have very little clue how to deal with things like cyberattacks or illegal media existing across national borders, or piracy, or the kind of freedom of information (with all its benefits as well as its thorny parts) the Internet has to offer. Yeah, there's a lot of kneejerk, reactionary garbage and people clamoring for censorship, but there are also real social reasons for these issues to exist. We do have to answer questions like "How do we deal with cyberattacks originating overseas?" and "How do we deal with the legality of material that might as well not even have a national origin, but is accessible everywhere?" and "How should media and entertainment respond to the ease and proliferation of online piracy?".

[Bohandas]

Maybe, instead of bothering with the kids making fun of them WHICH WILL HAPPEN UNTIL THE END OF TIME, you should show the kid who's getting picked on that they don't usually mean those things, and if they do you shouldn't care.

Way to trivialize a serious problem. Good luck telling kids to "not care" about how much their peers are ostracizing, bullying, or tormenting them. It's not that easy, never was, and never will be. It's also kind of disheartening how much you're blaming the victim here: If a kid gets bullied by his peers to the point of it destroying his self-image, he's to blame and not the actual perpetrators?

His actual point was that if before the internet the majority of bullies actually beat people up instead of just calling them names. You'd have to be a complete jackass to not see that as an improvement.

Also learning not to give a shit what other people think of you is a very important life lesson, possibly the MOST important lesson.

That's a big part of the internet: it's not real, so don't sweat it.

This really, really doesn't make any sense. How is the internet less "real" than any other medium or form of communication? "It's just the Internet" is an excuse used by trolls and shut-ins to justify hiding behind anonymity in order to act like dicks. It's a form of double-think that allows them to ostensibly sleep at night and exist as quasi-normal people in everday society while also acting like reprehensible assholes online. There is absolutely no reason why words, information, or other media on the Internet are less "real" than anything else. It's a tired argument, it's been debunked before, and it's just a bad excuse to be an ass. If you aren't familiar with the term "thought-terminating cliche", here's your chance to look it up.

This isn't a double standard. The internet is not real in the same way that TV and Movies aren't real. The only difference is that the people creating content for the internet generally aren't pompus millionaires.

At any rate, the reason the Internet is getting so much attention is because it's still young. Legally and socially speaking, we still have very little clue how to deal with things like cyberattacks or illegal media existing across national borders, or piracy, or the kind of freedom of information (with all its benefits as well as its thorny parts) the Internet has to offer. Yeah, there's a lot of kneejerk, reactionary garbage and people clamoring for censorship, but there are also real social reasons for these issues to exist. We do have to answer questions like "How do we deal with cyberattacks originating overseas?" and "How do we deal with the legality of material that might as well not even have a national origin, but is accessible everywhere?" and "How should media and entertainment respond to the ease and proliferation of online piracy?".

You're missing the point. Most of these things only appear to be relevant but really shouldn't be dealt with at all.

[blackmagechill]

Maybe, instead of bothering with the kids making fun of them WHICH WILL HAPPEN UNTIL THE END OF TIME, you should show the kid who's getting picked on that they don't usually mean those things, and if they do you shouldn't care.

Way to trivialize a serious problem. Good luck telling kids to "not care" about how much their peers are ostracizing, bullying, or tormenting them. It's not that easy, never was, and never will be. It's also kind of disheartening how much you're blaming the victim here: If a kid gets bullied by his peers to the point of it destroying his self-image, he's to blame and not the actual perpetrators?

Okay, I probably Should've elaborated more, especially here since this is a huge deal. I think that more time should be spent helping the kids who are getting picked on than the kids who are actually doing it. There have been a couple of times kids have been kicked out of school here for a week at a time because they said something to another person. The person who is doing this should be punished, and probably learn better social conduct, but you should really look into the root cause as to WHY the child in question is being picked on, as opposed to making it harder to communicate by making it a taboo to say something considered negative, which is pretty much what is happening/has happened.

That's a big part of the internet: it's not real, so don't sweat it.

This really, really doesn't make any sense. How is the internet less "real" than any other medium or form of communication? "It's just the Internet" is an excuse used by trolls and shut-ins to justify hiding behind anonymity in order to act like dicks. It's a form of double-think that allows them to ostensibly sleep at night and exist as quasi-normal people in everday society while also acting like reprehensible assholes online. There is absolutely no reason why words, information, or other media on the Internet are less "real" than anything else. It's a tired argument, it's been debunked before, and it's just a bad excuse to be an ass. If you aren't familiar with the term "thought-terminating cliche", here's your chance to look it up.
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I hold the internet in the same regard as I do real life, communication wise. If someone is going to say "ur ghey faggot" (and I was in middle school, so it happened pretty much everyday), then you should probably just blow them off because it has nothing to actually do with what's actually happening, and they do it because of some stupid inferiority complex or something.

tl;dr: I should probably spend more time thinking about the threads I make.

[G-Flex]

but you should really look into the root cause as to WHY the child in question is being picked on, as opposed to making it harder to communicate by making it a taboo to say something considered negative, which is pretty much what is happening/has happened.

Sure, but that assumes that the kid is being picked on for a good reason. We all know that's probably the case a lot less often than it isn't. I agree we need to look into more proactive ways to deal with it, but often, kids are picked on for reasons that don't even make sense.

[Duke 2.0]

At any rate, the reason the Internet is getting so much attention is because it's still young. Legally and socially speaking, we still have very little clue how to deal with things like cyberattacks or illegal media existing across national borders, or piracy, or the kind of freedom of information (with all its benefits as well as its thorny parts) the Internet has to offer. Yeah, there's a lot of kneejerk, reactionary garbage and people clamoring for censorship, but there are also real social reasons for these issues to exist. We do have to answer questions like "How do we deal with cyberattacks originating overseas?" and "How do we deal with the legality of material that might as well not even have a national origin, but is accessible everywhere?" and "How should media and entertainment respond to the ease and proliferation of online piracy?".

You're missing the point. Most of these things only appear to be relevant but really shouldn't be dealt with at all.

I... what?

 You may want to elaborate on this as the comment looks exceptionally silly. Why shouldn't we deal with issues that are making the internet a much less appealing place for people to use thanks to huge security risks that people are trying to defend?

[blackmagechill]

Yes, the reasons usually don't make sense. If I asked someone WHY they called me gay,stupid, or an atheist they would usually just get quiet. Usually if you point out that it's looking pretty dumb for someone to pick on you for that reason, they stop. If they don't, then at that point you should just ignore them because they don't have a grasp on what logic is.

[EmperorNuthulu]

  Look, cyberbullying is not one of the worlds most difficult things to stop, seriously just about every site has a block button now. All this media sensation is probably skipping over real life bullying or other problems. It's just a media scare tactic, you remember swine flu? The "super virus of doom" that didn't kill everyone? Or Al-qaeda, who are going to take over the country? Media scares like this have been going on for decades, you can go as far back as the whole Communism scares.
   It's just media hyping things up to get people scared or interested. Nothing less, Nothing more. (Oh and most of the people involved (Fox news is a good example) might not want something that can do what they do for no cost, isn't biased and is generally faster becoming big. I mean we all saw their anonymous exploding vans scare).
 
EDIT: Wow, three replies since I last posted. 

[blackmagechill]

I had to change the title, because it fits a lot better.

[Flying Dice]

Maybe, instead of bothering with the kids making fun of them WHICH WILL HAPPEN UNTIL THE END OF TIME, you should show the kid who's getting picked on that they don't usually mean those things, and if they do you shouldn't care.

Way to trivialize a serious problem. Good luck telling kids to "not care" about how much their peers are ostracizing, bullying, or tormenting them. It's not that easy, never was, and never will be. It's also kind of disheartening how much you're blaming the victim here: If a kid gets bullied by his peers to the point of it destroying his self-image, he's to blame and not the actual perpetrators?

His actual point was that if before the internet the majority of bullies actually beat people up instead of just calling them names. You'd have to be a complete jackass to not see that as an improvement.

Also learning not to give a shit what other people think of you is a very important life lesson, possibly the MOST important lesson.

Agreed. Bullies usually target kids who are prime examples of 'otherhood', in other words, kids that are abnormal for some reason for another. I was heavily bullied pretty much until I entered HS, and can speak from experience that there are two ways to deal with it. The first is for the victim to (if possible) change whatever it is that gets them targetted in the first place. The second (much better) is to simply not give a shit about whatever is being said, because it is ultimately meaningless. I'm not trying to be insensitive, but I don't really get the kids who end up with serious social/mental issues because of bullying. I went through 5-6 years of friendless hell during the years where social bonding begins to occur, i.e. (U.S. system) around 4th-8th grade, because I was a loner, literate, and very short and skinny. I had noone to talk to, was verbally and physically assaulted on a daily basis, and y'know what? I'm fine. I've got a good circle of close friends, no emotional trauma, etc. Why? Because I learned to stop caring about people who are irrelevant to me.

The point, if any, is that bullying has occured pretty much since three kids lived in the same family-group however many thousands of years ago, because the forming of social groups carries the implication of the exclusion of some individuals, and the best way for people to deal with it is, simply, to get over it. Who cares if some random asshat insults you? Why does their opinion of you matter, if you don't have some sort of obsession with achieving their approval (which is a whole different can of worms)? Incidentally, dealing with asshats in real life is pretty much the same as dealing with them over the internet, in that the best solution is to trivialize them, both in your own mind, and to others. This has the added benefit of messing with their own emotional stability, which is likely screwy to begin with, as the desire to victimize others tends to go hand in hand with concerns over their own social position. 

[G-Flex]

Yes, the reasons usually don't make sense. If I asked someone WHY they called me gay,stupid, or an atheist they would usually just get quiet. Usually if you point out that it's looking pretty dumb for someone to pick on you for that reason, they stop. If they don't, then at that point you should just ignore them because they don't have a grasp on what logic is.

• We're talking about kids here. Kids do not respond to that as well as adults do, and adults don't respond well to it in the first place.
• Kids also don't exist in a vacuum. There's a social context to all of this that simply ignoring an individual won't solve, like being ostracized from the peer group as a whole.

  Look, cyberbullying is not one of the worlds most difficult things to stop, seriously just about every site has a block button now. All this media sensation is probably skipping over real life bullying or other problems.

You can't pretend that any of those are isolated problems, from each other or from other things. If the "cyberbully" is someone the bullied kid actually sees in person, at school, etc., then obviously a block button won't help.

Oh, and ignoring someone doesn't prevent them spreading rumors about you or otherwise trying to interfere with your psychosocial well-being.

It's just media hyping things up to get people scared or interested. Nothing less, Nothing more.

Right, it's not as if any kids have committed suicide due to bullying done primarily online. Oh wait, they have.

Yes, there's fearmongering going on, but it also is a problem. It's not really a distinct problem from bullying in general, but the context and methods are a little different now.

[Il Palazzo]

"Evil lurks in the datalinks as it lurked in the streets of yesteryear. But it was never the streets that were evil."

[EmperorNuthulu]

You can't pretend that any of those are isolated problems, from each other or from other things. If the "cyberbully" is someone the bullied kid actually sees in person, at school, etc., then obviously a block button won't help.


Oh, and ignoring someone doesn't prevent them spreading rumors about you or otherwise trying to interfere with your psychosocial well-being.

In the cases it just is a online bully, the block button helps. If it's not, then that comes under bullying, and we already have people doing things against bullying. I don't think any school at this point has a policy not against bullying.

Right, it's not as if any kids have committed suicide due to bullying done primarily online. Oh wait, they have.

Yes, there's fearmongering going on, but it also is a problem. It's not really a distinct problem from bullying in general, but the context and methods are a little different now.

 People commit suicide over tonnes of different things, and some deaths are practically suicide. It's not just cyberbullying that's a problem, I mean tonnes of kids get submitted to hospital under anorexia, drinking, wrist slitting. This problem is rather minor and something that can be stamped out online for a while, but the real life counterpart is much harder to handle.