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Martial Arts / Martial Arts Philosophy / etc
« on: June 02, 2011, 04:09:11 pm »

Ive been doing Tai Chi Chuan, and a complimentary style of Kungfu for a few months now and was wondering what if any styles or systems of martial arts people on the forum do?

I know from one of the religion threads (numerous as they are) that some people on this forum know about qi (or Chi), have any of you seen this in a martial situation? Have you found the supreme ultimate (slight in joke for folk that do Tai Chi)?

Im interested in Martial arts in general, both chinese, japanese anywhere else etc. What draws you to your art, does it take a life time to learn, or a few years? Whats cool about it, are there tactical or even philosophical aspects to the art? Does it have a focus e.g; strikes, grappling, internal energy, weapons forms, acrobatics, etc..
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« Reply #1 on: June 02, 2011, 04:16:13 pm »

I do Krav Maga, Sambo and Systema

I like grappling. Can you tell?
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« Reply #2 on: June 02, 2011, 05:23:24 pm »

Boxing, Karate, and Hip-Hop dance. The last one I blend in where I can.
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« Reply #3 on: June 02, 2011, 05:34:11 pm »

Moshing is a martial art, right?
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« Reply #4 on: June 02, 2011, 08:56:54 pm »

Boxing is great. In most fights, if your not thinking, you form a fist and punch the other guy. Always a good fighting skill to fall back on.

Kick-boxing. Mostly knees and elbows. Maybe a few headbutts.

Any sort of police or military wrestling is good. I know police wrestling. Don't know too much about military. Grabs, grapples, pins, etc.

Atkedo. Learned it from my mother when I was five. VERY EFFECTIVE, especially the grapples and strikes (although my mom may have thrown in the more violent eye and neck attacks). Also has some good short stick tactics and, from what I hear, good long stick fighting styles as well.

I'd stay away from the fighting styles that rely on pure speed or fancy arm locks. Best to keep it simple and something you can teach your body to do automatically.

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« Reply #5 on: June 03, 2011, 01:49:51 am »

I've been interested in learning Krav Maga, if only because it's quite fun to say, and Tae Kwan Do, since I've family who is a fairly high blackbelt, and it is incredibly intimidating to a viewer, which may come in handy should I ever want to scare off muggers.
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« Reply #6 on: June 03, 2011, 10:16:45 am »

I've done all sorts of martial arts over the years.

A lot of my time was spent in Tae Kwon Do, first at a sucky school and then at a better traditional one. I did a bit of training in Hapikido and Judo at that time as well.

Some generalist fighting (mostly kick boxing) and stage fighting

Brazilian Jujitsu, straight up boxing, MMA (all at the same place, for about two months, wish that it had been longer)

Army Combatives (OSUT course, I'm not even level one certified, sadly)

I've got experience in a lot of different schools, and I enjoyed them all (mostly) but I never am really keen to start training again. Bloody lack of height and weight means that there's always a long BS period that I've got to go through. In a real situation, I'm the sort who'd depend on jujitsu/ combatives at first, then pull a knife and merc the SOB (unless I'm actually properly armed, as I currently am whenever I'm not in the shower).

I'd like to learn Jeet Kun Do sometime, it's a precursor to modern MMA that was developed by Bruce Lee. "Way of the intercepting fist" translated. It puts an emphasis on both efficiency of movement as well as continually improving the martial art itself (take that which is useful is the relevant motto). Punch the other guy in the face as soon as he tries to do anything.

Krav Magra might be fun sometime as well, as another really practical martial art.
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« Reply #7 on: June 03, 2011, 11:15:41 am »

Going by what goes on in Ultimate Fight and similar loose rules martial sports, I reckon good old wrestling is where it's at.
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« Reply #8 on: June 03, 2011, 01:01:08 pm »

Ive been doing Tai Chi Chuan, and a complimentary style of Kungfu for a few months now and was wondering what if any styles or systems of martial arts people on the forum do?

I know from one of the religion threads (numerous as they are) that some people on this forum know about qi (or Chi), have any of you seen this in a martial situation? Have you found the supreme ultimate (slight in joke for folk that do Tai Chi)?

Im interested in Martial arts in general, both chinese, japanese anywhere else etc. What draws you to your art, does it take a life time to learn, or a few years? Whats cool about it, are there tactical or even philosophical aspects to the art? Does it have a focus e.g; strikes, grappling, internal energy, weapons forms, acrobatics, etc.

About Taiji (Qi Gong - art of the Qi). 太極(氣功), I am a member of R.O.C YiJian Taiji association, YiJian 易簡 is a branches of Taiji from Yang style (楊式). Taiji Chuan 太極拳 is only one form of Taiji, the basics. It's focus on none weaponry, the use of Qi, the use (Gong) of your lower body strength 下盤功 (like shifting the center of your weight). And the most important, the use of Qi by controlling your breath(吐納), directed it, its use in lower-stomach area (丹田). Its the basic for the higher Taiji martial art. Like Taiji Sword, Taiji Rod, etc. And its widely spread and taught because of its low entry requirement (for all ages), and good side effect (for sick people, old people, its not hurting the body, but "rebuild it", or require "hard" training to see the effect).

You can find many people practicing Taiji as an art of Qi for health reason, not an art of martial art. But if you truly learn it as a martial art, then while learning, you should learn each 'position' (勢) has its practical martial application (武功). A Taiji martial art (not the art of Qi) teacher will display it to you. But its basic philosophy is peace and harmony, and reaction from your opponent (attack with defense 見機臨敵, 以守待攻). So unless provoke, you should not used it as a mean of attacking, and its very powerful in close hand-to-hand. Teachers often choose the students very carefully, and its better start young. And although Taji has the lowest entry, it also has the longest(hardest) learning curve. An old saying about Taiji martial art is that you need to practice at home for 10 years, before you are able to use it, and its just beginning. And I am not that OLD yet! Also why so few true master of Taiji "martial art". (The art of Qi is different).

As for feel the follow of the Qi, most do after a year of 2, but being one with Qi, and let the Qi guiding your position, not with your mind, its way harder as may actually need 10+, but 5 to 6 years, you will feel it eventually through constant practice everyday. And I saw grand masters who are old, but when he moving, you can feel the Qi like a ball(circle around the body) of shield, you will get the feeling that nothing can get inside the parameter, (not you imagine it for yourself, but been felt by others). Alternate defense you can say.

My father is a master(black 5) in jujutsu, and I learn Tang Lang Quan (螳螂拳) as a kid (close to south factions of Shaolin sect martial art), and I started to learn Taiji as mostly due to health reason, and need some less aggressive practice type. (Like you play basketball as sports, and change to jogging cause less exhaustion), and I believe the philosophy of Taiji, is rooted from Taoism. And also the inner form of art (內功), is base on the theory that your body is like a world of its own, and can sustain itself on its own, without the need of outside help. Many other martial arts often rely on speed, and Taiji focus on slowing down and make lighting moving before you know it. And it fits the philosophy of Zen, since meditation one way to better understanding Qi, and how to guide it through body, and Zen require a peace of mind.
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« Reply #9 on: June 04, 2011, 10:58:12 am »

Interesting thoughts counting; I do a combination of Li and Yang styles for mixed reasons, some of which are martial. My teacher can push me with the qi but im fairly insensetive to it atm. I do breathing exercises as well, and pushing (or adhering) hands, and then forms, and role aways, and then some more traditional martial stuff like kicks. Im currently taking advantage of my uni's extensive libary and going through alot of their ancient chinese philosophy. Ive read the toa te ching, and am about the start Chuang tzu. Some of the descriptions (if you can call them that) of the tao are interesting, but i dont really understand much yet.
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« Reply #10 on: June 04, 2011, 11:25:48 am »

Interesting thoughts counting; I do a combination of Li and Yang styles for mixed reasons, some of which are martial. My teacher can push me with the qi but im fairly insensetive to it atm. I do breathing exercises as well, and pushing (or adhering) hands, and then forms, and role aways, and then some more traditional martial stuff like kicks. Im currently taking advantage of my uni's extensive libary and going through alot of their ancient chinese philosophy. Ive read the toa te ching, and am about the start Chuang tzu. Some of the descriptions (if you can call them that) of the tao are interesting, but i dont really understand much yet.

It's not even easily understand by native Chinese users! They are meant to be philosophy discussions, and thought exercises. However our sects YiJian combines the philosophy of Yi Ching (易經) as well, hence giving its names. We think the idea of combining direction (each steps need to be facing the right angle), and the figures in Yi Ching (they already has that applications), helps to analyze the movement into organized form as a who. And from simple starting position, we can 'generate' each moves in Taiji, but they all started at the same point, so the whole idea can fix on staying and slowly flowing through the movement, and ready to change to different form at any given time (to either intercept attack, deflect, transfer moves, avoid weak point in body), so when someone started his own sets of movement (套路), he can not be predicted, and giving the effect that your opponent do not know where to hit. Essentially we try to make those 'magic' combining and be the one with Qi experience into a system structure, so its easier to pass that barrier, but each one still has its own forms eventually. Just like making a map, not everyone choosing the same passage. Taiji is still evolving now. and it can be scientific.
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« Reply #11 on: June 04, 2011, 01:08:46 pm »

Im currently taking advantage of my uni's extensive libary and going through alot of their ancient chinese philosophy. Ive read the toa te ching, and am about the start Chuang tzu. Some of the descriptions (if you can call them that) of the tao are interesting, but i dont really understand much yet.

Yay Zhuangzi! If you can find them, I *highly* recommend Tsai Chih Chung's versions of both the Tao Te Ching and the Chuang Tse.

He's a Taiwanese artist and cartoonist who has done sublimely brilliant cartoon versions of a number of Chinese and Japanese classics, including the above mentioned works, the Art of War, the Heart Sutra, Records of the Historian, Romance of the Three Kingdoms, etc. I find that they're a fantastic primer to the actual works, as his artwork does a great job of helping to convey a lot of the concepts when English translation is insufficient to carry the full nuance. Most of them can be found cheap on Amazon, and a university library hopefully might have a number of them in house.
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« Reply #12 on: June 04, 2011, 02:10:13 pm »

Im currently taking advantage of my uni's extensive libary and going through alot of their ancient chinese philosophy. Ive read the toa te ching, and am about the start Chuang tzu. Some of the descriptions (if you can call them that) of the tao are interesting, but i dont really understand much yet.

Yay Zhuangzi! If you can find them, I *highly* recommend Tsai Chih Chung's versions of both the Tao Te Ching and the Chuang Tse.

He's a Taiwanese artist and cartoonist who has done sublimely brilliant cartoon versions of a number of Chinese and Japanese classics, including the above mentioned works, the Art of War, the Heart Sutra, Records of the Historian, Romance of the Three Kingdoms, etc. I find that they're a fantastic primer to the actual works, as his artwork does a great job of helping to convey a lot of the concepts when English translation is insufficient to carry the full nuance. Most of them can be found cheap on Amazon, and a university library hopefully might have a number of them in house.

If anyone has hard time finding it, you can use his chinese name 蔡志忠, and comic in chinese 漫畫 to search, I don't know how hard it is to find translation version on the Internet, a lot of his work is done 20, even 30 years ago. And they are making into animate 動畫 and Movies back when I want young, so its good for young people who want to know about them, and just started. Good to known there are people still know about him, he haven't done much work in Taiwan recent years (and past 10), but probably find he (and his work) in mainland China.

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« Reply #13 on: June 04, 2011, 02:18:13 pm »

Most fights quickly turn into "just hit the other guy before he hits you". Most fighting "styles" are impractical. Who's gonna stand there while you set up one of these long-winded, but cool looking moves? You know the ones I mean.

You win a fight by being stronger, faster, tougher, and smarter than your opponent, not by learning a magical martial arts technique. Or maybe I'm just tired of the over glorified asian fighting styles.

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« Reply #14 on: June 04, 2011, 02:41:31 pm »

I think the point of martial arts isn't to "win" a fight - It's to discipline yourself.  There's different styles and philosophies, but all of them point towards mastering your mind, spirit, and body rather than domination.  From what I understand, Asian culture is more about the capability of their own self than Western culture - Eastern culture tends to see weapons or fighting styles as an extension of body or will, while Western culture focuses on the style or weapon as a tool to further one's will.

So, combat has some part in Martial Arts, but a fight is more of an opportunity to improve oneself rather than just come out on top.  If martial arts were really all about winning, then it would have devolved into a gun competition a long time ago.
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