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[thvaz]

Well, honestly I see so many people that scream "Oh my God, DF clone! Look it has dwarfs and they do stuff!"

It actually seems that if you have any kind of Dwarf in a game, its a DF rip off.

If you have digging, its some kind of df rip off.

If it has lava in it, its a df rip off.

And so on.

I was reading where someone was saying Dwarfs!? was some kind of df rip off, when it CLEARLY isnt. So I can see where that dude is coming from. More often than not, you will see people from here raging about how much a game is a df rip off, even if it isnt.

Look at the various threads here about Dwarfs!?, there is more people saying it isn't nothing like DF than people saying "OMG! Clone!" . This one, however, isn't helping posting a video using tilesets made for DF and calling it "a game inspired by Dwarf Fortress".

It would probably ending a lot different from DF (like Goblin Camp) or dying altogether, as soon as  the wanna be game developer realizes the scope of what makes DF what it is.

The indie scene however is starting to disgust me. Do you want to make a game DF-like? Fine, but don't use Dwarf Fortress name.  When Call of Duty was launched, Activision didn't call it "a game like Medal of Honour". EA would sue its ass off.

[tolkafox]

It's not 3d, it's isometric as Max said, and it's WORSE than top-down because such view obscures some tiles, which may be fatal in such game.

Also top-down view is better for the strategy, it's easier to plan and judge distances.

I have to argue against this, in one specific game I remember (Warhammer 40k) isometric was used for this sole reason. Curse those orks hiding behind the isometric buildings :/

[chewie]

From my point of view, the problem is, that DF basically allows you to do everything imaginable with dwarves, so as soon as you see another game involving dwarves (or Dwarfs?!), you think that it copied DF and doesn't need to exist, since there is DF, THE ULTIMATE DWARF SIMULATOR! (seriously, tell me any game involving dwarves where you can do something which would be impossible in DF)

Also, you can't argue over the fact that the game in the video has some similarities to DF.
1. Obviously the same setup with the world and anything. Maybe there will be a preset world with a scripted timeline of things happening to your fort and a scripted story developing from this. With heros and villains (real characters with identities and stuff) Maybe the dwarves will be preset and the relationships between them too. We don't know. The story in Df currently is: You travel away from the mountainhall with some dwarves and a wagon for no appearant reason, and build a fort. Maybe the game in the video will be more creative in these manners. DF 1.0, though will probably be too.
2. Map design with z-levels with squares and coordinates to move around in. This isn't anything obligatory, you could do a digging game without that. There's this asteroid digging game, I don't know how it's called, that grid from DF or Minecraft doesn't exist there (IIRC), why not mix DF's setup with that mining system?

I think if you want to make a game "inspired by DF" you gotta look at DF and see, where it's strengths and weaknesses are, how it works and bring something new in, that really gives the game it's own magic. Magic (you know wizards and stuff) for example. Or let the player build a fort for 5 ingame years in "Fortress Mode", then change to "Siege Mode" and let him control the goblins that attack the fortress. Allows multiplayer involvement, which WOULD be quite new in the dig-and-build-fortresses-with-dwarves category.  And terriby fun, of course.

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As far as I remember from those threads the few whining where the few always whining and overreacting. How about all the ones simply not caring that didn't post? You are way too busy pointing fingers yourself.

This. I actually count myself to the ones not caring, but I wanted to state my opinion anyway. Let that guy make and distribute his game, why not? It's not like it's illegal and maybe something good will evolve from it. But I'm skeptical.

And of course the discussion is kinda pointless, because I mean, look at that video. You can't even call that alpha state.

[debvon]

Do people realize that "It's a DF ripoff" is a long running joke? A jest? Why are we always making this into an argument?

[Ninteen45]

Do people realize that "It's a DF ripoff" is a long running joke? A jest? Why are we always making this into an argument?

Minecraft forums kinda made the joke serious with their witch hunts. Harrassment of Blue from terraria and calling it "Parody"? Not cool.

DF being in a related and simlar niche kinda gets "seepage", like /b/ to everything else.

[Alehkhs]

Someone needs to make a ripoff/remake/family-tree infographic of these games, for shits and giggles. Then they can all start screaming about how every new game ripped off one from the nineteen-eighties...

[Rumrusher]

Someone needs to make a ripoff/remake/family-tree infographic of these games, for shits and giggles. Then they can all start screaming about how every new game ripped off one from the nineteen-eighties...

you rip me off I said that on a another forum Tigsource RAHShasahrAHRahasjkarharAHRahjskars[insert Sarcmark here]

[freeformschooler]

From my point of view, the problem is, that DF basically allows you to do everything imaginable with dwarves, so as soon as you see another game involving dwarves (or Dwarfs?!), you think that it copied DF and doesn't need to exist, since there is DF, THE ULTIMATE DWARF SIMULATOR! (seriously, tell me any game involving dwarves where you can do something which would be impossible in DF)

In any of these games you can play them and be kind of a dumb person, expect it to be like DF, and be disappointed for getting something entirely different from DF.

You can't do that in DF.

[SirAaronIII]

This game looks bad, but that's because it's probably less than 10% complete. It has potential. Hope the maker doesn't waste it.