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[Duuvian]

Also, I would ask that if you happen to frequent other forums and such places that a post such as mine may be digested, please, I encourage you to do disseminate it fully. I'd like to imagine the reason that I've learned so many interesting and alarming things the past few hours while researching this is because no one has really gone through and tied things together yet. It is after all very recent history and it is dealing with documents that most don't know how to access and those that do are afraid of death squads or handcuff ninjas.

EDIT: Mostly I make these posts because these are some of the same agencies trying to work with corporations to regulate the internet. Which would likely at some point make this post impossible; if not through physical means then through monetary. Which is to say have friendly corps get payed to influence online opinion.

It's obvious that corporations have caught on to this opportunity to make a profit, check out yahoo comments on their news stories. It seems like a right wing based organization, but that it would be so blatant without comment from the government makes me wish I knew what my government thought about it. Perhaps it's another reason to stop keeping so many secrets?

[Dutchling]

hehe,
I'm glad I don't live in the country of freedom and democracy ^^

[ChairmanPoo]

As if the rest of the world was much better

[Sheb]

Well, over here (Belgium) we have no government, hence no useless spying. Hell, downloading songs is even legal because they didn't have the time to write up a law.

[Gantolandon]

And that 100% of our electronic communications, including all voice phone calls can be and ARE being "tapped" to some extent (monitored for key words and phrases, positive matches are flagged and reviewed more carefully).

Well, the solution presents itself - use words like "bomb" or "terrorist" in conversations as often as possible

[Strife26]

And that 100% of our electronic communications, including all voice phone calls can be and ARE being "tapped" to some extent (monitored for key words and phrases, positive matches are flagged and reviewed more carefully).

Well, the solution presents itself - use words like "bomb" or "terrorist" in conversations as often as possible

Yes make the NSA's already frightfully horribly impossible job even tougher. I hope that anyone who tries shit like that gets harassed by the government for their idiocy.

[Sheb]

What? Are we supposed to let them spy on us? Anyway, no terrorrist is going to speak openly, so it's useless anyway.

[Phmcw]

And that 100% of our electronic communications, including all voice phone calls can be and ARE being "tapped" to some extent (monitored for key words and phrases, positive matches are flagged and reviewed more carefully).

Well, the solution presents itself - use words like "bomb" or "terrorist" in conversations as often as possible

Yes make the NSA's already frightfully horribly impossible job even tougher. I hope that anyone who tries shit like that gets harassed by the government for their idiocy.

And I hope that anyone support these laws get in trouble for meaningless comment taken out of context.
And really, how could you buy it? "Lone wolf" terrorist (which could translate in weirdo's) being a threat that justify the wiretapping of the entire nation's communication?
By that standard, France should be Auschwitz 2 to protect their citizens from the Corse terrorists.

[Duke 2.0]

What? Are we supposed to let them spy on us?

Not a whole lot we can do about that. If the country gets really riled up about it they'll just hide it instead of letting us know that such measures are being taken.

 The fact that no terrorist would use public communications lanes is a victory in itself. It means they must take much less convenient measures that are slower and more troublesome to communicate over. Making sure they can't take the easy methods to doing anything is just as much a victory as catching actual attempts, as many attempts are wiped off the table of possibilities and are never tried.

 Hell, at this point they could just have no agents or minimal agents committed to actual wiretapping and make it very public that they are doing it. No real violations of privacy and any lone wolves know they can't use open communications to plan anything. If shit does go down the government can just go to phone and internet service providers who have records on us anyway for evidence.

[Sheb]

No, I was reacting to Strife, that wanted us to help the NSA by avoiding possible code-word.

[Duke 2.0]

 He wanted to avoid being a dick to people who were obviously overworked in a job that has no hope of doing its job that is generally hated by the general population. He didn't want you to avoid code-words so much as not be a dick by saying them all the time out of spite.

[Eagleon]

He wanted to avoid being a dick to people who were obviously overworked in a job that has no hope of doing its job that is generally hated by the general population. He didn't want you to avoid code-words so much as not be a dick by saying them all the time out of spite.

I cared so hard.

Telemarketers, data miners, spammers, wiretappers. There are some people that deserve the shit they get for what they do. There's always a choice, and no I won't make it easy for someone that makes the one that infringes on my peace and/or privacy.

Also, thermite.

[Nadaka]

He wanted to avoid being a dick to people who were obviously overworked in a job that has no hope of doing its job that is generally hated by the general population. He didn't want you to avoid code-words so much as not be a dick by saying them all the time out of spite.

I don't have a problem with passive resistance against the people who are working to violate the constitution and destroy the ideals that made America great. Would you tell Rosa Parks or Gandhi to stop being a dick to people just doing their jobs? I am sure there are a lot of people busy monitoring words like "Tienanmen square massacre" that would agree that its a hard and thankless job. This matters.

[Duke 2.0]

 So take it up with politicians. They don't give a shit that agents are having a more difficult job doing the orders they were given.

 There may be some purpose to acting like a dick, but it does not excuse being a dick. Not to mention a vital thing to understand about chain of command/responsibility, which I'm sure Strife would make a bit clearer than I.

 "Responsibility goes to the chain giving the orders, not those who give the orders." Call out the guys who passed the bill. Make demonstrations to show the government that we don't like this. Do hard work to make the country a better place if you care about civil liberties so damn much. Being a prick to anonymous people given the orders to do this is the lazy feel-good way out that won't really do anything other than make life harder for some agents who may not want to be doing this in the first place.

[MetalSlimeHunt]

All levels of a chain of abuse hold responsiblity for that abuse, not just the ones giving orders. Those that call the shots may tell the individual agents to do these things, but the acts are still commited by the agents. They are responsible for the infingement of civil liberties as much as their superiors, and should be no less opposed.