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outofpractice

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Ever have one of those moments?
« on: May 26, 2011, 10:08:02 pm »

Howdy all.

Just venting I suppose. Just went through a siege. Nothing different about this one than the last 4 I suppose, except I think it was slightly smaller. Smallish fort with a population of 106 101 dwarves. 20 full time military dwarves.

I've had 5 military dwarves for every 20 since I started. Full steel armour / leather etc. The best weapons. Good food, good rooms. Trained them up constantly via training will in a danger room for the extra benefit. They blitz anything that comes near them. Literally destroy them, bits flying everywhere. Till this siege.

The siege just cost me 3 legendary axelords with a combined kill total of 412, 1 hammerlord (98kills), 1 spearwoman trainee (4 kills).. They all died in the initial scrum too, when all my dwarves were together getting their kill on. Makes a dwarf overlord sad to watch his killing machines keel over like that. Add to this I have another 6 dwarves in the hospital, with varying injuries from bruising / broken legs, to a hammerlord who lost both his hands. Over 50% of my military gone or incapacitated.

Oh RNG how you smote me.
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Lectorog

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Re: Ever have one of those moments?
« Reply #1 on: May 26, 2011, 10:11:45 pm »

My best legendary axedwarf fell asleep in the middle of battle, leaving the fortress open to overrun. Does that count?
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Re: Ever have one of those moments?
« Reply #2 on: May 26, 2011, 10:20:47 pm »

Nope
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Re: Ever have one of those moments?
« Reply #3 on: May 26, 2011, 10:23:09 pm »

Sigh I just realised I have 2 more wounded dwarves in the entrance way. They are basically crippled and can't get to the hospital. Think someone would come get them, but nope there thare !!Socks!! to be had before caring for the wounded.

Think I need to make some people full time wound dwarf carryiers.
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Re: Ever have one of those moments?
« Reply #4 on: May 27, 2011, 01:21:13 am »

Unfortunately no dwarf is immortal, and every one will fall somehow. Just be careful to lose them in controlled amounts; losing 10 dwarves at once has crippled my fortresses for seasons in the past (due to everyone tantrumming for the next four years, since everyone was friends with the victims)
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« Reply #5 on: May 27, 2011, 01:30:22 am »

Thankfully no tantrums, since my military dwarves don't care anymore and are kidnapped drafted into the military straight away upon arrival so no time to make friends.

Good news was that I got a migration wave to help replace the lost military dwarves. Bad news is that I had another siege and lost another 4 dwarves, all experienced axe/hammer lords. Back to 16 military again =(... time to rebuild traps at the entrance I think.
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Re: Ever have one of those moments?
« Reply #6 on: May 27, 2011, 01:57:09 am »

Thus far my fort's had a few big-time heroes. Judo Jedi, who kicked a swamp titan's head in. The Exterminator, who single-handedly bashed a flying tick FB to death with his crappy mace. The Demonslayer, who (this is the best one) was a speardwarf that managed to punch the head off of the goblin siege leader, a dolomite bison who had killed Judo.

I just lost the exterminator because whatever lazy retarded prick picked his broken body off the ground took him 2 floors down to the old dormitory instead of the actual hospital. Dr's, being also lazy retarded pricks, ignored him. Died of infection. Did I mention we have 30 bars of forgotten beast soap?
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« Reply #7 on: May 27, 2011, 02:57:44 am »

I'd got a hunter who I was training up to become a great fighter of my fort. Just happened to come back to the fort during a bowgoblin ambush. until this point, they'd managed only to kill dwarves who got shot, passed out, and then beaten to death. he comes around the corner, bowgob takes a shot at him from maximum range and he falls dead first shot.
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« Reply #8 on: May 27, 2011, 04:55:56 am »

Sigh I just realised I have 2 more wounded dwarves in the entrance way. They are basically crippled and can't get to the hospital. Think someone would come get them, but nope there thare !!Socks!! to be had before caring for the wounded.

Think I need to make some people full time wound dwarf carryiers.

I hate this so much. Even assigning a carrier won't help much, sadly. Recovering wounded dwarves definitely needs to have its job priority boosted a lot, because as it is, I have had 20+ dwarves sit around with "no job" for days and weeks before one of them finally deigned to pick up an injured soldier. I can deal with dwarves dying and losing limbs just fine, but for some reason this neglect makes my blood pressure skyrocket every time.

Of course it doesn't help that each little cut in the foot makes Urist McCrybaby forget how to walk.  ::)
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« Reply #9 on: May 27, 2011, 02:50:03 pm »

Ah, so this happens often, then. I was surprised when I lost 3 or 4 out of squad of 10 Danger Roomed into multiple legendaries. This is still improvement from 10-20 dead every siege I charged head-on before I made a DR tough.

As for hospitals: I usually choose 1 of my starting 7 with highest empathy as CMD, giving her 5 diagonsis, and some other medical skills (suturing, and dressing wounds seem to be much used). Having a nurse with high empathy and sense of duty, and only recover wounded, feed / water wounded, and perhabs some little used jobs also helps.
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« Reply #10 on: May 27, 2011, 04:50:19 pm »

Whenever you're sending the military out to fight a goblin siege, you want to check first if any of the gobbo squads or captains are lashers. No matter how insanely skilled your dwarves are, lashers WILL kill some of them. It's just unfair.
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Re: Ever have one of those moments?
« Reply #11 on: May 28, 2011, 09:23:03 am »

This is why i always have some troops in reserve and I always send the newcomers strategially less important warriors in the front of my formation
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« Reply #12 on: May 28, 2011, 11:51:55 am »

I've found that the best approach is really to never engage melee until you've softened them up with traps and/or archers.

The trick I use is to position a bunch of marksdwarves behind fortifications before I send out my main melee force.  By the time the hammer-, spear- and axedwarves get there, they have been nicely tenderized by a couple dozen archers pincushioning them with bolts and weapon traps scattered randomly in front of my fortress entrance. 

If I'm really lucky I can trap the whole siege between the two drawbridges, then plink at them until they are mostly dead/panicking, then send out the melee groups.  If you kill enough of them, everyone panics.  Once you have a full-on bugout in progress, they won't fight back and you can safely send out melee to slaughter them.
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I don't understand, though that is about right with anything DF related.
I just hope he dies the same death that all dwarfs deserve: liver disease.
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