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And so, it Begins
« on: May 26, 2011, 06:47:46 am »

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/asia-pacific/2011/05/201152635539179264.html

In the heart of China, Three separate car bombs were detonated outside of three separate government buildings, within half an hour of each other. This was meticulously planned, and organized. Fortunately, only two people were killed and six were injured. This comes in the wake of the Man who built and organized the Great Firewall of China having various objects thrown at him.

I wouldn't say that things are boiling over in China just yet, like things have in the Middle East, but the pot has begun to simmer, and close attention ought be paid to events in the PRC. This can either pitter patter out and be completely forgotten, or could, in the long run, be the most important of all these revolutions.
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Re: And so, it Begins
« Reply #1 on: May 26, 2011, 07:06:45 am »

and close attention ought be paid to events in the PRC. This can either pitter patter out and be completely forgotten

Considering the PRC's stranglehold on any information leaving the country, it's amazing we heard anything at all.
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Re: And so, it Begins
« Reply #2 on: May 26, 2011, 07:21:30 am »

They don't have the same stranglehold on info going out as they do on info coming in. Like all authoritarian regimes they fear their own people more than anything else.
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Re: And so, it Begins
« Reply #3 on: May 26, 2011, 11:27:16 am »

Problem being, China is so damn big, we will probably never have any idea what caused this, Id say there would be just as much chance that this could have been a revenge attack about tainted food/meds as it could have been political.  Also, very oddball that only 2 killed, 6 injured (ok, its harsh, but it could have been soo much worse) and nobody has claimed responsibility (sounds like someone called in and warned people first).

Though ill be the first to admit, im just guessing and dont really know shit

edit: Thats alot of people standing in the pic for the reported damage, really smells to me like something else is up
« Last Edit: May 26, 2011, 11:29:08 am by jester »
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Re: And so, it Begins
« Reply #4 on: May 26, 2011, 02:37:51 pm »

edit: Thats alot of people standing in the pic for the reported damage, really smells to me like something else is up

This is China, there's a pile of people everywhere.
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Re: And so, it Begins
« Reply #5 on: May 26, 2011, 04:02:02 pm »

This is China, there's a pile of people everywhere.
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Re: And so, it Begins
« Reply #6 on: May 26, 2011, 04:10:34 pm »

This happened in the small farming town of Fuzhou, pop. 4 million.
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Re: And so, it Begins
« Reply #7 on: May 26, 2011, 08:45:44 pm »

China has had several large riots over the last few years.  It's been simmering for a long time.  I'm guessing the situation is the same there as it is here in the U.S., where everyone knows things are wrong, and the majority of people are unhappy... but not so desparate that they have nothing to lose, and kept too busy working to maintain what quality of life they have to organize real movements for change.

Although I'm also guessing they have one advantage that we don't:  a population undivided by bitter cultural feuds between political parties.
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Re: And so, it Begins
« Reply #8 on: May 26, 2011, 08:49:29 pm »

Kind of my point, people everywhere, low bodycount, sounds like an IRA style 'plant the bomb, then call in a warning' (and I know they didnt always do it, but they often did).  This doesnt seem like random terrorism against the general population/intended to kill alot of government employees.

Ninjaed:  yeah, china also has some of the crazyiest riots ive ever seen, 1000s of farmers armed with massive long poles basically fighting like a greek phalanx, there arent many pictures around, but from what ive seen, this is really, really pissed of people out to fight, not a protest with alot of chanting and slogans
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Re: And so, it Begins
« Reply #9 on: May 26, 2011, 08:50:04 pm »

China has it's own problems, such as being one of the few countries that still carries the risk of a peasant revolt. Plus, China has somewhat liberalized its stance on civil liberties and private enterprise in recent years. This is signifigant because it sounds familiar. I predict that the PRC will soon have to make the same choice the USSR did: Allow non-communist political parties or face an open rebellion. Either way, I imagine a few nations will split off and their status as a communist regime will come to an end.
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« Reply #10 on: May 26, 2011, 08:55:20 pm »

I just hope China doesn't collapse before they try for world conquest.

Hell, they might have a massive BB score by the end of it, but at least they'll survive awhile longer.
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« Reply #11 on: May 26, 2011, 08:57:41 pm »

Although I'm also guessing they have one advantage that we don't:  a population undivided by bitter cultural feuds between political parties.
Wasn't there something about Muslim Uighurs and Han Chinese going at it about a year ago?
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Re: And so, it Begins
« Reply #12 on: May 26, 2011, 09:00:21 pm »

Although I'm also guessing they have one advantage that we don't:  a population undivided by bitter cultural feuds between political parties.
Wasn't there something about Muslim Uighurs and Han Chinese going at it about a year ago?

China doesn't political parties, but they certainly have demographic factions, and would have political factions were that allowed.  The Uighurs vs Han thing is way out in western China while this was near the coast, so it wouldn't be them, but that's a good example yes.
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Re: And so, it Begins
« Reply #13 on: May 26, 2011, 09:09:54 pm »

Although I'm also guessing they have one advantage that we don't:  a population undivided by bitter cultural feuds between political parties.
Wasn't there something about Muslim Uighurs and Han Chinese going at it about a year ago?

Yeah, I'm sure they have their own internal cultural conflicts, but I've never heard of any that are actually cultivated by their leaders like they are here, where republicans and democrats do everything they can to get people violently opposed to each other over differences in values while they work together behind obfuscation and closed doors on the stuff that most of the population could actually agree to oppose them on.

China, by my limited understanding, just has The Government, and if you oppose the government you disappear.  It's a less stable system of oppression.  In the U.S. when people get pissed off, they focus all their blame and hatred at each other and accomplish nothing.  In China the whole thing ends when the anger and desperation of the people outweigh the force of the police state.
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Re: And so, it Begins
« Reply #14 on: May 26, 2011, 09:29:28 pm »

China has a major problem with inflation.  It's led to work stoppages by truckers because fuel prices are prohibitively high.  We here in the US complain a lot about how China is taking our jobs because of the currency peg, but that same currency peg forces China to buy a lot of dollars and dollar denominated bonds- effectively we export inflation to them.

China also has a huge real estate bubble and a lot of their growth in the past few years has been due to construction projects.  China is going to crash big time.
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