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[scamtank]

Yeah, the recovery time stats only affect melee attacks. If there's a way to adjust ranged weapon reload times, I haven't heard of one yet.

[Agent_Irons]

Well, I did a quick-and-dirty conversion to .40.10 and ran some arena tests. Preliminary conclusions:

1. We're back to 40d rates of fire even with ATTACK_PREP_AND_RECOVER set to 20:2. Further !!SCIENCE!! is badly needed on exactly what that new stat actually does because there's nothing on the wiki.

2. SHOOT_FORCE is going to need a huge boost, because lead bullets are basically paintballs; a dwarf got hit in the face with a rifle shot and suffered a bruised eyelid.

SHOOT_FORCE is basically 1/20th of what it was, if that helps you ballpark things.

And watch out about drawing conclusions based on eyelids, the old .34 bolt science thread recorded only three deflections all of which were off eyeballs. Facial features are a little strange.

[Jake]

Yeah, the recovery time stats only affect melee attacks. If there's a way to adjust ranged weapon reload times, I haven't heard of one yet.

It must do something, though, because why else would ammunition have its own [ATTACK_PREP_AND_RECOVER] stat? (Which is a less than ideal way of doing it from my perspective, I might add, because it means separating rifle and musket ammunition.)

SHOOT_FORCE is basically 1/20th of what it was, if that helps you ballpark things.

And watch out about drawing conclusions based on eyelids, the old .34 bolt science thread recorded only three deflections all of which were off eyeballs. Facial features are a little strange.

I'll add an extra zero to it for the next round of tests and see if that helps. I'm running nearly all my tests with lead ammunition at the minute, and the results have not been encouraging...

Although it does look quite badass when a dwarf just stands there with bullets bouncing off their armour. I'll try and upload some footage to DFMA at some point.

[scamtank]

It must do something, though, because why else would ammunition have its own [ATTACK_PREP_AND_RECOVER] stat?

It's for when you just grab an arrow and start stabbing fools. That attack needs stats too.

[Jake]

Well, messing around with SHOOT_MAXVEL and SHOOT_FORCE had no discernable effect at all, although I haven't done a proper side-by-side test against crossbows yet; I'm not sure I want to know, either. And I haven't even got around to testing the new reactions yet, but they're probably going to be hilariously broken because reactions in general make my head hurt.

Can you tell I'm getting a little despondent here?

[Agent_Irons]

Well, messing around with SHOOT_MAXVEL and SHOOT_FORCE had no discernable effect at all, although I haven't done a proper side-by-side test against crossbows yet; I'm not sure I want to know, either. And I haven't even got around to testing the new reactions yet, but they're probably going to be hilariously broken because reactions in general make my head hurt.

Can you tell I'm getting a little despondent here?

Reactions haven't actually changed very much. Brewables are now a reaction class because of the new plants, but that's it, I think. Also globs have a size now? I think? Idk, reactions are black magic. I was fooling around with wizard tower and made ten thousand slings the other day. (that is too many slings for dwarf fortress to handle, as it turns out.)

[Jake]

Well, we have some progress: I think I finally nailed the reaction bugs Drug_unit reported, and I've tweaked the weapon and ammo raw entries a bit so that lead bullets aren't completely worthless. (They still plink off armour like Nerf darts but break bones on impact with bare flesh, so one lucky hit will kill or disable.)

The bad news is that I have no solution for the rate of fire issue; ATTACK_PREP_AND_RECOVER doesn't affect it at all so far as I can tell.

[smakemupagus]

The bad news is that I have no solution for the rate of fire issue; ATTACK_PREP_AND_RECOVER doesn't affect it at all so far as I can tell.

Oh, that is too bad!!

[LordBaal]

ATTACK_PREP_AND_RECOVER apparently doesn't affect ranged weapons either (regular and cross bows, blowguns)? Can anyone confirm that?

[Jake]

ATTACK_PREP_AND_RECOVER apparently doesn't affect ranged weapons either (regular and cross bows, blowguns)? Can anyone confirm that?

I've carried out side-by-side tests with rifles and crossbows and their rate of fire is perfectly identical, so yes. It looks like ranged weapon rates of fire are hardcoded somewhere.

[LordBaal]

Drats! The ball is now on Toady's side.

[Jake]

Eh, it doesn't much matter. I'm actually somewhat glad the ATTACK_PREP_ETC stat in item_ammo doesn't affect rate of fire, because then I'd have to have a separate type of ammunition for each firearm.

[Jake]

Okay, quick status update everyone. The bad news is that development and testing have been heavily delayed due to technical problems:

Spoiler: If you're interested... (click to show/hide)

Unable to scrape up the money for a proper gaming rig, I bought myself a used Dell Optiplex that was at least better for playing DF than my EeePC. I then bought a very cheap USB wireless adapter and immediately wiped out Vista in favour of my favourite Linux distro... only to discover that the wireless adapter doesn't work out of the box, the manufacturer's official Linux drivers have to be compiled from source, and the necessary build tools aren't included with Lubuntu by default. I have now given up entirely and ordered one of those data-over-power kits instead, which should hopefully arrive a week tomorrow.

The good news is, I'm pretty sure cartridge production works now. I've also tinkered with the weapon and ammunition numbers so that lethality should be historically accurate to the late Renaissance or Early Modern period; guns are highly effective, but not to the point where they've displaced crossbows or armour entirely. Lastly, the readme file is now much more comprehensive and contains detailed instructions, something that's been lacking for a while.

To that end, here's the barely-tested but hopefully working V0.9 RC2.

[LordBaal]

Excelent!!!

[Rammok]

Does anyone know how muskets compare with crossbows power wise?

 

If Lucelle's using the raws from the last release of BPFA without any modifications, they might actually be considerably inferior. The update for 0.40 is still in testing and hasn't been uploaded to DFFD yet, but there's a link to a release candidate version at the end of the thread.

Cool I just downloaded it. I think I'll just drop BPFA 0.9 RC2 into Dark Ages tonight and hope for the best.