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[Bauglir]

"To steal" has traditionally involved taking something away from somebody, and people believe that the lack of this quality makes piracy deserving of a new term. Counterfeiting really is better, honestly.

[Angel Of Death]

Counterfeiting only half fits piracy. Piracy is not 100% stealing or counterfeiting. Piracy is piracy.

[Heron TSG]

There is a difference between stealing a musician's digital audio file and buying their car. If you buy their car, you have a car and they do not. They get money and you lose money. Stealing the digital audio file would be like building an exact replica of the car at no cost to either of you and driving it around. Nobody lost money, nobody gained money. You just have a car.

[Realmfighter]

There is a difference between stealing a musician's digital audio file and buying their car. If you buy their car, you have a car and they do not. They get money and you lose money. Stealing the digital audio file would be like building an exact replica of the car at no cost to either of you and driving it around. Nobody lost money, nobody gained money. You just have a car.

The Trouble Coming from the Musician's Life Earnings coming from selling Replica's of his Car, a car that he spent much of his own time creating.

[Heron TSG]

People actually buy pirated songs? That's wheels-on-ducks retarded. Most people either pirate it themselves or pay the artist. If they feel like they have to pay for something, they usually want it to go to the creator.

[Criptfeind]

My favorite toy as a child was a wooden duck on wheels.

[Angel Of Death]

Wheels-on-ducks retarded?

I understand the retarded part but the wheels on ducks part is very confusing...

[Bauglir]

Probably the reference.

Barbarossa: What did that comment have to do with the discussion? I'm not entirely sure what sparked it.

[Heron TSG]

The discussion about whether or not piracy was stealing sparked my comment about piracy and stealing.

[Bauglir]

The discussion about whether or not piracy was stealing sparked my comment about piracy and stealing.

I meant about buying pirated songs. This one:

People actually buy pirated songs? That's wheels-on-ducks retarded. Most people either pirate it themselves or pay the artist. If they feel like they have to pay for something, they usually want it to go to the creator.

I don't see an assertion nearby regarding people buying pirated songs, and the only ones I can think of in the entire thread were along the lines of, "It's okay if I buy something after pirating it".

EDIT: I'm not trying to pick a fight, btw, it was meant as an honest question. Sorry if I came off as aggressive about it.

[Heron TSG]

No aggression input or output. All clear.

The Trouble Coming from the Musician's Life Earnings coming from selling replicas of his car, a car that he spent much of his own time creating.

This line appeared to refer to the selling of the pirated songs, in my metaphor referred to as car replicas.

[Bauglir]

No aggression input or output. All clear.

The Trouble Coming from the Musician's Life Earnings coming from selling replicas of his car, a car that he spent much of his own time creating.

This line appeared to refer to the selling of the pirated songs, in my metaphor referred to as car replicas.

Ahh, okay. I think the intent was to make clear that even the songs people buy legally are replicas of the original anyway. At least, that was how I understood it, but I can't really speak for Realmfighter. That said, yeah, I hear there's a hell of a bootleg market for movies depending on where you live, though I'm not sure about songs.

[Realmfighter]

The Trouble Coming from the Musician's Life Earnings coming from selling replicas of his car, a car that he spent much of his own time creating.

This line appeared to refer to the selling of the pirated songs, in my metaphor referred to as car replicas.

So said Musician makes a New car for everyone he Sells too? Also, how can a Musician Pirate from himself. And then sell those Pirated Copies.

[lemon10]

No aggression input or output. All clear.

The Trouble Coming from the Musician's Life Earnings coming from selling replicas of his car, a car that he spent much of his own time creating.

This line appeared to refer to the selling of the pirated songs, in my metaphor referred to as car replicas.

Ahh, okay. I think the intent was to make clear that even the songs people buy legally are replicas of the original anyway. At least, that was how I understood it, but I can't really speak for Realmfighter. That said, yeah, I hear there's a hell of a bootleg market for movies depending on where you live, though I'm not sure about songs.

Buying a bootleg movie/game costs 1-2 dollars (or more/less depending on where you live). Getting a internet connection and computer good enough to download a game/movie in a few hours-1 day is much more expensive. And buying the game/movie legally is 10 times more expensive then buying it illegally (if you can even find it where you live) so buying it illegally is the best option.

[Heron TSG]

That depends on how much you pirate. If you can pirate enough goods to make up for the cost of the computer in less time than it took you to raise money to buy the computer and internet connection, it's still a 'profit'. Then again, most people on the internet already have computers to use.