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[Aklyon]

Well, this has gone in an interesting, yet not completely unrelated direction.

[Vigilant]

Every discussion that mentions piracy at all turns into a debate about the ethics of piracy. Which is something that bothers me as well. I started reading this thread hoping to find some useful information about the bill other than people just running around yelling at each other.

[freeformschooler]

Every discussion that mentions piracy at all turns into a debate about the ethics of piracy. Which is something that bothers me as well. I started reading this thread hoping to find some useful information about the bill other than people just running around yelling at each other.

EDIT: I was talking about Nadaka just now who was from an entirely different thread. I have been on GD WAY TOO MUCH today.

Now that I think about there really hasn't been any yelling.

[Aklyon]

its seems more like a one sided debate than anything. Everyone (almost) vs. Criptfiend.

[G-Flex]

In this case, there was a very good reason for that.

[freeformschooler]

I mostly agreed with Cript's underlying points though, just not the way he presented them. Piracy is still illegal, and by law it is wrong. The way that awareness of the law (and what certain corporations [namely the RIAA] would have you believe to be the law) is spread, however, is pretty silly. I usually disagree with it.

[G-Flex]

I mostly agreed with Cript's underlying points though, just not the way he presented them. Piracy is still illegal, and by law it is wrong.

Funny, if that was his "underlying point" then I have to wonder why anyone was arguing at all, since everyone here already knows that.

[Criptfeind]

Every discussion that mentions piracy at all turns into a debate about the ethics of piracy. Which is something that bothers me as well. I started reading this thread hoping to find some useful information about the bill other than people just running around yelling at each other.

Eh. I think I said this at some point. The bill is boring. You are not going to find any other opinions about it in this forum, so there is not much to talk about.

Funny, if that was his "underlying point" then I have to wonder why anyone was arguing at all, since everyone here already knows that.

Well it started with me arguing that it is in fact immoral, when that one guy said it was not. Then apparently everyone jumped on semantics.

[G-Flex]

It wasn't about "semantics", but sure, if you want to think that, then you can go ahead, I guess.

[Criptfeind]

Oh my god. You said thievery! The law calls it something else!

[Bauglir]

I think the point is that there are actual differences that are relevant, and insisting that it is thievery only clouds the issue. Especially because anyone who disagrees with your definition is pretty much certain to insist that it's just a PR move designed to ensure that nobody ever supports it (because who would support stealing).

[Criptfeind]

Robin Hood would.

[ChairmanPoo]

It was never a discussion of semantics. There were fundamental differences to be addressed.

[G-Flex]

Oh my god. You said thievery! The law calls it something else!

You were equating piracy with theft, and continued to attempt to justify the link. This was not just an issue of terms, it was an issue of concepts.

It wasn't even an issue of definitions; you clearly knew what theft is and what piracy is, and used those terms to describe them.

[Criptfeind]

It's a crime.

Where you steal stuff.

What is your issue?