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[SOLDIER First]

yeah except but: i love quiet

[sambojin]

This is kind of why I want to play through them all in chronological order.

It might not actually help. There's enough time jumps in the series that even if you think you know what happened, it'll only take another game or DLC to totally disrupt that train of thought.

We'll probably never know the full story. It's one of the good things about the series. Any theory, no matter how convoluted, is valid until proven wrong.

[SOLDIER First]

Like Quiet is Chico.

[sambojin]

Exactly.

[SOLDIER First]

I honestly thought it was a pretty solid theory when I first heard it, because - while extremely ridiculous - Kojima gonna Koje; Metal Gear gonna Metal Gear.

[sambojin]

Even stranger, I read a thingy a few years back that Kojima did a fair bit of research interviewing actual soldiers to see their outlooks and personalities, about war and how they saw themselves as people. And a bit of that got carried over into the games, with many of the characters being composites of the people he met/interviewed and people he knew from his own life and work.

I wonder what their reaction to the MGS franchise would be like today? Even though they know it's not them, only a characateur(sp?), and a composite of many at that. Especially with the anti-war message in most games, and the humanistic approach to main pro/an/tagonists, whilst showing the depersonalization of soldiers in such conflicts, and the use of them as tools by others.

"What? I've got b00bs now? But I'm still an awesome shot? Thanks Kojima. And thank-you Fox Engine. "

or

"What? My bit became that bit? How? Why? That doesn't even make any sense!"

Kojima Koje's everything. Metal Gear, Metal Gears.

I wish I could find the article.

[Akura]

Spoiler: Note about Solid Snake's aging (click to show/hide)

I could have sworn it was supposed to be a fail-safe or something. Engineer him to be both sterile and have a shortened lifespan. It can't be from FOXDIE, since Solidus was also visibly aging quicker than he should, and he was never exposed to it. Liquid wasn't showing signs of advanced age, because he didn't live that long(his arm/ghost thing notwithstanding).

I did notice some inconstistancies with Snake's(all of them) age. In MGS1, it's mention that Les Enfant Terribles was "an embarrassment from the 70's"(by Jim Houseman), and in MGS2, Liquid mentions that Big Boss was in his (possibly late) fifties when he was cloned. Peace Walker(takes place in 1974) puts BBs age at 39.

Now, if Big Boss was in his 50s, then Solid, Liquid, and Solidus were born in the mid 80s at the earliest. Solid Snake mentions his first combat experiences were in Desert Storm(1992-93). That would mean Snake was sent into combat(with the Green Berets no less) before he was 10. Maybe his accelerated aging made him grow up faster? Then there was Solidus, who was President from... 2000-2005? Last I checked, the age requirement for the presidency was 35.

Spoiler: Another question (click to show/hide)

Was Strangelove really Otacon's mother? In MGS2, Emma mentions that she and Hal were children from their parents' second marriages. Unless Huey married someone else before Strangelove, that is.

[Neonivek]

The Metal Gears in the Metal Gear series are becoming actually kind of hilarious now.

Even when the story or plot 100% doesn't need a metal gear. BOOM! there it is! It has become a cosmic law that all metal gear games (excluding the paid for demo) must have a metal gear.

[Cthulhu]

Well it is called Metal Gear.

[Putnam]

Spoiler: Note about Solid Snake's aging (click to show/hide)

I could have sworn it was supposed to be a fail-safe or something. Engineer him to be both sterile and have a shortened lifespan. It can't be from FOXDIE, since Solidus was also visibly aging quicker than he should, and he was never exposed to it. Liquid wasn't showing signs of advanced age, because he didn't live that long(his arm/ghost thing notwithstanding).

I did notice some inconstistancies with Snake's(all of them) age. In MGS1, it's mention that Les Enfant Terribles was "an embarrassment from the 70's"(by Jim Houseman), and in MGS2, Liquid mentions that Big Boss was in his (possibly late) fifties when he was cloned. Peace Walker(takes place in 1974) puts BBs age at 39.

Now, if Big Boss was in his 50s, then Solid, Liquid, and Solidus were born in the mid 80s at the earliest. Solid Snake mentions his first combat experiences were in Desert Storm(1992-93). That would mean Snake was sent into combat(with the Green Berets no less) before he was 10. Maybe his accelerated aging made him grow up faster? Then there was Solidus, who was President from... 2000-2005? Last I checked, the age requirement for the presidency was 35.

yes

Spoiler: Another question (click to show/hide)

Was Strangelove really Otacon's mother? In MGS2, Emma mentions that she and Hal were children from their parents' second marriages. Unless Huey married someone else before Strangelove, that is.

Spoiler: actually just MGS2 spoilers, but reveals the nature of the question (click to show/hide)

emma was his stepsister

[SOLDIER First]

Well it is called Metal Gear.

Solid

[Rolan7]

Huh yeah, I was mistaken about it being Foxdie.  Might have been something I "learned" from Last Days of Foxhound, which is noncanon.
The wiki isn't clear on why Solidus aged faster, but might be because he was the "perfect" one so the Philosophers were more careful.

This gene stuff is so dumb

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

almost as dumb as these symbiotes "parasites"
I liked the nanomachines more, though I didn't play MGS4 so maybe I'm just not sick of them
I mean, The End was awesome, but this stuff is ehh.

Still wish Quiet was elderly, heh.

[Putnam]

the Patriots, not the Philosophers

the Philosophers are the ones with the money that the Patriots used to create Cipher and later the Patriots (the AIs, that is)

[Rolan7]

When I started MGS V and people kept talking about Cipher, I kept thinking it was the Signals Intelligence guy from MGS3.  Took a while to realize they meant some organization instead of that guy, what was his name, oh yeah SIGINT.
It's weird how much I love theorycrafting in various fandoms, when I'm pretty terrible at getting the details right

[Neonivek]

When I started MGS V and people kept talking about Cipher, I kept thinking it was the Signals Intelligence guy from MGS3.  Took a while to realize they meant some organization instead of that guy, what was his name, oh yeah SIGINT.
It's weird how much I love theorycrafting in various fandoms, when I'm pretty terrible at getting the details right

That is ok, the story is actually pretty convoluted all things considered... and keeps getting more convoluted.