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[SOLDIER First]

I think a headshot with any (projectile) weapon of any type instantly... does whatever to its target it normally does.
I.e. kill, tranq, or stun.
Which is good.

[Cthulhu]

Ah okay, so the recoil is crazy but it should only really be fired one shot at a time?
I didn't assume a single rubber bullet to the head was enough, seemed to take more...  I didn't try it long.

Riot guns aren't a joke.  Probably nsfw, possibly kind of gross if you're squeamish, no blood though.

That's a teflon riot bullet.

[Rolan7]

That's...  good to know.  SWAT4 lied to me! 

Well, I always assumed beanbag shotguns were more effective in real life than in SWAT4.  As in, more effective than a harsh slap.  I guess this would be more like the stinger grenades, which launched a bunch of rubber balls at high velocity.  Both were 100% unharmful, which was obviously a bit ridiculous.  At least the descriptions described them as potentially lethal.

I'm still using the tranq pistol out of habit, but I'm using the riot AR a lot more effectively now.  Going for single-shot headshots when possible.  No silencer yet, but it's my "oops stealth failed" weapon.
I was totally confused by the recoil on the riot smg and riot AR.  Made me think they were supposed to be used in bursts to be effective.

Also beginning of second zone has made me sad ):

[SOLDIER First]

That is horrifying, Cthuhlu.

[Owlga]

That's...  good to know.  SWAT4 lied to me!

SWAT 4 is actually not very realistic deep down. If anything beanbag shotgun rounds are MORE effective in swat 4 than in real life.

[Cthulhu]

I've also got a video somewhere of a guy with a knife getting beanbagged.  Looked like attempted suicide by cop.  It took three or four shots to his arm to make him drop the knife, then they tackled him like normal.  I don't think the beanbags alone could've stopped him in time if he'd gone for the cop, they had real guns trained on him too.

[Owlga]

Meanwhile in swat 4 land, shooting a man with a ballistic vest in the side with a beanbag before he notices you has a super high chance of making him give up if you immediately shout. When in reality that guy would probably shout, turn around and spray automatic weapon fire thinking he's been shot for real.

And yet if you shot him in the side of the face you'd likely kill him. So be glad Kojima and his team went for fun!

[Putnam]

I'm fairly certain I'm able to

Spoiler: Mild endgame spoilers (click to show/hide)

 unlock Mission 46 right now.
I've done every story mission (Quiet's included, rip Stefanie Joosten's beautiful voice), done every Important Side Op, and I've seen people with less percent completed than myself with post-Mission 46 gear. I assume once I start the game or after it'll activate...

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

you also need a level 4 command platform at mother base AFAIK

[SOLDIER First]

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

I hear all over the place that "You need to finish Quiet's mission!" and then "No you don't!" and "You need to finish every mission, even the harder versions of earlier missions!" and then "No you don't!" and the same goes for what you've said. I dunno man, sinking a million GMP into that isn't too appetizing right now.

[Cthulhu]

A million GMP is nothing.  You can get that back with one good base defense.  Go into relationships and spam support on randoms, there's no risk when you support base defenses and the rewards are huge.

[SOLDIER First]

WEH
Also sorry about that. Supposed to be spoilered.

[Ozyton]

So I've been trying my best to stealth through most missions and haven't gotten above a B when I do so, and this afrikans interpreter one I stealth the first half then some guy sees me through a wall or something (I couldn't shoot him in the head...?) so the rest of it was loud. Ended up getting an A rank for that atrocity...

[Putnam]

ranking is basically 90% time

that's not even remotely an exaggeration, too, look at the score the time gives you when you get an A or S

[Rolan7]

@OzyTheSage
Same, I have like 3 A's and I'm pretty sure all of them were surprising, because I screwed up the stealth and got in a long firefight...  Just don't let the alert end, I guess, because then deducts points again if they do see you.

Also holy crap I just unlocked the weapon customization.  So many options.  Rather confusing.  There was a red bar over putting a silencer on the riot assault rifle, but... it let me do it anyway.  And at first nothing I did seemed to change the stats (just the yellow special-qualities) but apparently those barrels were only cosmetically different.  I've yet to find anything that changes the cost, oddly.

... Yep, sure enough, silenced AR for the same cost.  Guess the guy really is legendary.  Silencer didn't seem to last long at all, but still (and I'll unlock better ones, I'm sure).

Spoiler: Quiet (click to show/hide)

She still really unsettles me, particularly the equipment-screen jiggle, but mechanically I like her.  Kinda funny that I said she wasn't The End, ha.  Still, I wish she were elderly and/or clothed... ah well.

Was assaulting an armor group which had a gunship, noticed she had her sights on the gunship.  Gave the kill order.
Apparently she lost some of her cutscene powers
Still, it's pretty cool having sniper cover like this.  And the lethality isn't so bad...  Diamond Dogs is a *mercenary group*, and probably killed hundreds on dispatch missions.  Not to mention all the tanks and such.
Nah, my use of nonlethal tactics was because I'm Big Fuckin Boss, I don't *need* to kill.  Except, when I do need to kill, or I feel like killing in creative ways.

...Though I've actually been playing as White Wolf, a female combat team member, because it feels slightly less awkward to use Quiet that way.
It's a nice reminder that there are female soldiers in the game, and they're perfectly reasonable.  There's just also a busty superpowered freak who can't wear clothes.  It's Metal Gear, superpowered freaks with insane quirks are kinda the main attraction.

[Zangi]

The game encourages you to go faster for better rank. 
If you can plow through them quickly with lethal, then yea, you will get a better rank.
If you take it really slow stealthing/trying to do it perfectly, you won't get a better rank.

Either way, you can redo the mission later if you want.


I like fire, good stealth removal of possible combatants, since I don't bring lethal guns myself...  And instant kill on enemies cause they don't dodge away.
My Quiet has normal soldier clothes!  Huzzah!