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Author Topic: We get attacked by necromancers, right?  (Read 8068 times)

Dreggon

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We get attacked by necromancers, right?
« on: May 13, 2011, 03:18:59 am »

I just had this vision of a 'megabeast' attacking my fort with a horde of zombies at his command. You kill the necromancer, the zombies all die.

Is this wishful thinking or is it being implemented?
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Re: We get attacked by necromancers, right?
« Reply #1 on: May 13, 2011, 03:27:34 am »

The undead probably won't die just because you killed the necromancer. Wishful thinking indeed that such a convenient solution to the undead siege would be implemented. We also don't know if the necromancer will personally lead the forces - you're going to have to kill him in his own tower (filled with his minions) in adventurer mode.
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Re: We get attacked by necromancers, right?
« Reply #2 on: May 13, 2011, 05:56:42 am »

It'd be cool if a necromancer would attack with few zombies/skeletons, and he'd have the ability to revive non-mutilated corpses/skeletons. Especially if you jsut had a big fight recently
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Re: We get attacked by necromancers, right?
« Reply #3 on: May 13, 2011, 06:30:15 am »

Would be more interesting if the Necromancer reanimated the corpses of your fallen dorfs to be their puppets and their lingering ghosts gets pissed at 'em...

"What the...?!?!...That's my body you corpse f*****r~!"
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Re: We get attacked by necromancers, right?
« Reply #4 on: May 13, 2011, 09:59:57 am »

Would be more interesting if the Necromancer reanimated the corpses of your fallen dorfs to be their puppets and their lingering ghosts gets pissed at 'em...

"What the...?!?!...That's my body you corpse f*****r~!"
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Re: We get attacked by necromancers, right?
« Reply #5 on: May 13, 2011, 11:30:26 am »

So, I am guessing some guy will wander onto the map with some corpses, raise them, summon a tower some how, and attack.

Or he or she will use all the dead goblins most forts have laying around. Which is odd, since if their corpses of an enemy are scattered about your fort, shouldn't the necromancer realize it will end with death for him or her?
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Re: We get attacked by necromancers, right?
« Reply #6 on: May 13, 2011, 11:37:55 am »

So, I am guessing some guy will wander onto the map with some corpses, raise them, summon a tower some how, and attack.

Or he or she will use all the dead goblins most forts have laying around. Which is odd, since if their corpses of an enemy are scattered about your fort, shouldn't the necromancer realize it will end with death for him or her?
It would be like an ambush, with the necromancer as the leader. The zombies would start raising once the necromancer gets on the map.

The tower would be the necromancer's HQ to visit in adventure mode.

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Re: We get attacked by necromancers, right?
« Reply #7 on: May 13, 2011, 12:03:26 pm »

So, I am guessing some guy will wander onto the map with some corpses, raise them, summon a tower some how, and attack.

Or he or she will use all the dead goblins most forts have laying around. Which is odd, since if their corpses of an enemy are scattered about your fort, shouldn't the necromancer realize it will end with death for him or her?
If I'm reading Toady right, he'll have the corpses pre-animated before he arrives. In fact, there may not even be a necromancer, just a horde of mindless dead moving towards your fort.
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Re: We get attacked by necromancers, right?
« Reply #8 on: May 13, 2011, 12:43:56 pm »

So, I am guessing some guy will wander onto the map with some corpses, raise them, summon a tower some how, and attack.

Or he or she will use all the dead goblins most forts have laying around. Which is odd, since if their corpses of an enemy are scattered about your fort, shouldn't the necromancer realize it will end with death for him or her?
If I'm reading Toady right, he'll have the corpses pre-animated before he arrives. In fact, there may not even be a necromancer, just a horde of mindless dead moving towards your fort.
That makes the most sense because necromancers should have a very good reason to risk their hard-earned immortality by wandering the wilderness with a bunch of corpses for bodyguards. Regular undead encounters should definitely be just undead, with their leader controlling them from afar
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Re: We get attacked by necromancers, right?
« Reply #9 on: May 13, 2011, 12:47:11 pm »

Kinky. Not sure if I like having to adventure, though, I never play adventure mode and it'd be rather bad to have to start an adventurer, then keep playing until you are skilled/levelled (??) enough to attack the necro in his lair.
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Re: We get attacked by necromancers, right?
« Reply #10 on: May 13, 2011, 01:11:08 pm »

Kinky. Not sure if I like having to adventure, though, I never play adventure mode and it'd be rather bad to have to start an adventurer, then keep playing until you are skilled/levelled (??) enough to attack the necro in his lair.
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Re: We get attacked by necromancers, right?
« Reply #11 on: May 13, 2011, 01:22:26 pm »

The undead probably won't die just because you killed the necromancer. Wishful thinking indeed that such a convenient solution to the undead siege would be implemented. We also don't know if the necromancer will personally lead the forces - you're going to have to kill him in his own tower (filled with his minions) in adventurer mode.

But you can't start an adventure mode game without abandoning your fortress. So that's kinda pointless. Eventually Toady plans on adding the ability to send armies off from your fortress to attack other places, but for now I don't see a way to hit back at the necromancer if he stays in his tower and just sends undead.

I'm assuming that the necromancer will stay in his tower, since Toady said "They make little towers and send hordes of undead to attack your fortress now." That seems pretty clear.

Hopefully after a number of unsuccessful attacks he'll say "if you want something done right, you have to do it yourself" and come lead an attack personally. That's what other civs seem to do.

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Re: We get attacked by necromancers, right?
« Reply #12 on: May 13, 2011, 01:49:02 pm »

I'm sure Toady understand what a bother it is to abandon a fortress, so we most likely won't have to. A final showdown with the necromancer making their appearance sounds nice.
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Re: We get attacked by necromancers, right?
« Reply #13 on: May 13, 2011, 02:05:44 pm »

The undead probably won't die just because you killed the necromancer. Wishful thinking indeed that such a convenient solution to the undead siege would be implemented. We also don't know if the necromancer will personally lead the forces - you're going to have to kill him in his own tower (filled with his minions) in adventurer mode.

But you can't start an adventure mode game without abandoning your fortress. So that's kinda pointless. Eventually Toady plans on adding the ability to send armies off from your fortress to attack other places, but for now I don't see a way to hit back at the necromancer if he stays in his tower and just sends undead.

I'm assuming that the necromancer will stay in his tower, since Toady said "They make little towers and send hordes of undead to attack your fortress now." That seems pretty clear.

Hopefully after a number of unsuccessful attacks he'll say "if you want something done right, you have to do it yourself" and come lead an attack personally. That's what other civs seem to do.

   Keith



hey wait why do you think undead attacks are supposed to ever end? if goblins send siege after siege no matter what happens all their soldiers, why should undead do it the other way?
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Re: We get attacked by necromancers, right?
« Reply #14 on: May 13, 2011, 02:10:12 pm »

hey wait why do you think undead attacks are supposed to ever end? if goblins send siege after siege no matter what happens all their soldiers, why should undead do it the other way?
Goblins eventually send their so-called "Master" in a siege, leaving the civ without Master forever. At least on past and current versions. It would make sense to do the same thing with undeads and their necromancer, until a better approach is deemed necessary by Toady One.
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