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[Flying Dice]

What I've heard from people who've played him is that he's like a better, more versatile Zilean.

[defeeca]

Hes fun champ. I would compare him to leona. he suffers from fact that ppl aint using his portals or health packs in ganks.
or ppl are picking health packs instant they spawn.
the balance of roam and lane is hard to balance

[frostshotgg]

I'm quite pleased with this patch. Buffs on stuff that needed it, and nobody got nuked from orbit. The patch preview is comforting as well, showing that they're at least aware the last few patches sucked dicks.

[Arcvasti]

Yeah, Veig rebuffing is good, although he probably still sucks. Liss nerfs were sad, but not unexpected and everything else is cool. The new item is interesting, but its unique thing isn't powerful enough to warrant a buy from my experiences with it.

[Sharp]

Yeah, Veig rebuffing is good, although he probably still sucks. Liss nerfs were sad, but not unexpected and everything else is cool. The new item is interesting, but its unique thing isn't powerful enough to warrant a buy from my experiences with it.

Liss nerfs being the reduced damage on Q and ?

I honestly don't know how good the new item is yet, I haven't had a chance to buy it. That is because I am trying to get it as Zac top so it's going to be 5th item choice and my games are ending before that time. I'm not too sure how good it really is for midlane mages, especially assassins but it looks like it suits magic bruisers who can spend time in fights building up charges while casting and surviving to get multiple procs of the item. If it procs spellvamp then Mordekaiser looks like he can be a menace with it.

[Flying Dice]

I can't wait to try it on Lux. Looks super-juicy for her. Probably Vel'Koz as well.

[Sharp]

meh nm, not so great. Maybe ok for Lux and poke champs for a bit of extra damage but it's not really worth anything but a 6th item slot for more AP

[Flying Dice]

Eh, I'd say that that's underselling it. Sure, the 'only' extra benefits beyond the 120AP are the third-highest %movespeed item passive in the game and an extra chunk of multi-target damage, but the same sort of thing was enough to make Shiv the AS pick for virtually every ADC over PD. This is already filling a void shaped like "120 AP", the rest is icing.

Here's a couple more champions who would have excellent synergy with it: Janna and Cass. Cass in particular is nice, and it would fit in well with her core as well as her playstyle, especially since the passive will proc very rapidly in fights, letting her apply her E effects + Rylai's + Liandry's to multiple targets at once. The added movespeed helps her stay more mobile, and of course more AP = better.

Janna's sort of different. It'd only be a later pickup for support Janna, after support item + sightstone &c., but for AP Janna it would make for a pretty good second or third item -- it's got great synergy with her W -- she's already super speedy and the additional %+AP to % helps even more, and the passive would help her waveclear before she gets enough AP to instantly nuke a wave. Rather than casting constantly like Cass, she's moving so much that it would proc fairly often for her as well.

[frostshotgg]

Cass doesn't have room in her build for Liandry's last I checked, never mind another item whose only purpose is damage.

[Flying Dice]

Liandry's is situational, vs. heavy HP stacking and in ARAM only.

But unless you insist on blindly following Mobafire and building Zhonya's literally every match you certainly do have room for a sixth item. RoA+Boots+WotA+Void+Rab. Sixth slot is buyer's choice, Zhonya's if it's appropriate, Rylai's if you need extra CC more than armor and the passive, or this new item if you're in a position where you can go full damage. Arguably it's superior in all situations to Rylai's, considering that you already have an AoE slow and the extra movespeed will aid your kiting/chasing about as much as Rylai's on E.

[Sharp]

So you agree it's a 6th item choice?

Shiv is much cheaper and has much more useful components. This is maybe a 5th or 4th item pickup if you are snowballing hard but Void Staff/Rabadons/Zhonya/Abyssal is still much more useful

[Flying Dice]

On Cass? Yes. On Janna? No. I'll probably build it third on Lux as well in most games. There's a pretty clear divide between champions who build it last or fifth because it's a nice boost and has a little synergy versus those who build it after MPRegen + Deathcap + boots because they love it.

I'm sort of laughing that you think Zhonya's/Abyssal are more universal, though. Both of those are highly situational as early buys, and the main reason Zhonya was built so widely for a while there was because it was the only other option for a big chunk of AP if you didn't want to get Rylai's. For example, I'd never build Abyssal on Lux and would only go Zhonya's now if I was vs. something that it countered or if they had a Vi/Kha'Zix/whatever getting super fed from the jungle. Early Voidstaff is only good on certain champions and against early MR stacking. No disagreement on Rab, of course.

[Sharp]

I didn't say they were universal buys, my point is that there are a lot more useful items than it.

Everything is situational, although Ludens is pretty niche in getting it early, so much that I would say it's not. Yes it can synergise well with Janna but there are a lot more items that Janna needs earlier.

[Flying Dice]

MPregen, Lich Bane, Rab's, boots. "Lots."

Actually, I think they did a fairly good job of balancing it into the same general category as Zhonya's, Rylai's, Abyssal, Lich Bane, &c.: not every champion is good with it, and it's not necessarily something you'll build early or every match, but it's very good on some champions, a good situational pick in some cases, and generally a decent item to build if you don't know what else to get. Doesn't disrupt the traditional AP trifecta of Morello/Athene's/Tear/RoA + Rabadon's + boots, but doesn't fall to shit-tier either.

[Jopax]

Haven't seen the item but a friend claims it's pretty scary on TF

Any thoughts on that?