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[Putnam]

Yeah, that's true for all the games. I don't compare which game looks "better" to me simply because every game you don't play in this genre is going to look like a horrible clusterfuck due simply to lack of familiarity. League looks awful to me because I don't play it much. HotS looks awful because I don't play it much. I can't understand what goes on in much any because I don't play them much, so my signal-to-noise is too low to get any useful info out of teamfights and stuff.

[UXLZ]

The "guy responding instantly to your directions" thing is something introduced to League that seemed like a good idea at the time.

You notice that every melee ADC has ludicrous amounts of movement abilities? That's why. The lack of turn rates completely screwed over the potential for variation there by requiring every single melee carry to have mobility lest they get forever kited by every ranged champ in the game.

From a design standpoint it's bad but from a 'feel' standpoint it is better. DotA feels clunky to someone who is used to League. League feels like greased lightning to someone used to DotA.

But yeah, you're right.

Dota has had over 1,000,000 players for over 10 years now...

Are you combining the player numbers for DotA (original) with DotA2?

Also, the "nowhere near as colorful" thing is, like, blatantly false.

Hmm... Is there something like that for the new Rift?
I think League feels more colorful because its aesthetic is more cartoon-ish while DotA's is more realistic. (At least, that's how it seemed to me.)

And Riot's history with Dota makes me basically assume that any Riot buzzwords are derisive of Dota. Because they are.

It annoys me whenever a company builds a good chunk of their marketing on deriding the competition, and Riot did that to a ludicrous extent near the beginning.

Laughably, I'd say League has bigger problems with that than DotA.

[xaritscin]

as a said one day in LAN's forum.

the game is becoming stagnant due to many factors. LoL maps are quite bland in design if you compare it to Dota2 for example, because Dota is more about strategy than plain rushing.

towers are more challenging to take down, last hit is a must, deny kills, warding, the jungle is quite hard, the map has a geography that can be exploited.

whereas Summoner's rift is practically a plain, the only elevation being walls which only serve to block players and nothing more. in Dota you can even take down trees for setting traps or avoiding enemies.

the engine of LoL is pretty dated and is understandable because Riot started indie, while Valve used tons of money for the making of Dota2's engine. so its expected to have more quality in what hero's models and textures respect...along with the workshop customization.

you forgot also that Dota2 has more item and summon focus. LoL doesnt allows you to share items nor drop them, or use more than 1 summon and its for a limited time. Dota2 has even champions focused into using multiple units(Meepo, Broodmother, Brewmaster, Warlock,etcetera). in LoL you have a handful of summons and its not the focus of the campion, just a sidepower.

LoL wins against dota mostly on the worldbuilding side, the Lore is quite powerfull compared to Dota2. but Dota wins on the gameplay side. and some people even say that the large amount of broken/overpowered champions is what keeps it balanced. since you can pretty much use any hero and not get laughed by your teammates.

[Flying Dice]

Honestly it's a matter of preference.


Though I did have a laugh when I managed to break the DotA2 tutorial four times in the first two missions without even trying. Of course I was only playing DotA because of serverside lag in League in the first place. :V

e: Okay, haha, my mind is made up. It took fifteen minutes to find a match in DotA2, and I stopped waiting for the match to find a server after another twenty. Fuck that noise.

[defeeca]

Seriously we need our own clash of mobas thread where we can all discuss why our favorite moba is bad

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the game is becoming stagnant due to many factors. LoL maps are quite bland in design if you compare it to Dota2 for example, because Dota is more about strategy than plain rushing.

I think dota is more spreadsheet the game its complex but that complexity doesnt really add more to it. heroes doesnt really matter that much its more of getting right items to right settings of match up.
lol isnt stagnant it has done some mistakes however that has let to more boring gameplay, its becoming more like dota they are starting to balance things out using binary solutions.
For example you can no longer carry ppl with use of superior vision that has been gotten with shitloads of wards. now everyone can only place 3 wards ... and thats horrible balance design that balances things out but is bad for fun factor.
Homever there has been lot of changes in balance wise useless champs are almost op tier now
jungle is more intresting than jungle of dota now its also lot harder than dota jungle. Dota jungle still has that asine jungle stackking that some like but thats the complexity of dota jungle.

towers are more challenging to take down, last hit is a must, deny kills, warding, the jungle is quite hard, the map has a geography that can be exploited.

in which game is this? as everything expect geography is done betterly in lol than dota
deny is harder in lol cause you have to wait for 11 seconds before suiciding to turret.
warding is harder in lol cause you can only place 3 wards that can be killed more easily cause of sweepers and pinks.
and quite lot of deaths are cause by fights over pink wards...
i like that miss chance of dota due to elevation it gives melee's more chances, but if you implemented that in lol it just wouldnt work.

whereas Summoner's rift is practically a plain, the only elevation being walls which only serve to block players and nothing more. in Dota you can even take down trees for setting traps or avoiding enemies.

i think this quite much tie between lol and dota.
in lol the complexity of map usage is to use it to extend your skills, hop over some walls that enemies cant follow trough, using terrain with skills to stun them  (gnar, vayne, poppy,alistar), using chokepoints to trap enemies or divide em.

the engine of LoL is pretty dated and is understandable because Riot started indie, while Valve used tons of money for the making of Dota2's engine. so its expected to have more quality in what hero's models and textures respect...along with the workshop customization.

they did a nice update to summoners rift that pretty much upped it to level of dota map while maintaining readability,
however like it was said before dota does beat lol in graphics

you forgot also that Dota2 has more item and summon focus. LoL doesnt allows you to share items nor drop them, or use more than 1 summon and its for a limited time. Dota2 has even champions focused into using multiple units(Meepo, Broodmother, Brewmaster, Warlock,etcetera). in LoL you have a handful of summons and its not the focus of the campion, just a sidepower.

I think these are bad examples i hate those champs cause playing em is hard. While when played good they are just menace to play against.
and lol does have summons and lots of em but they aint similar to dota at all.
heimerdinger and his turrets.
azir and his triple soldiers you cant attack.
zyra and his immobile plants that have high skillcap to use profiently.
etc..

LoL wins against dota mostly on the worldbuilding side, the Lore is quite powerfull compared to Dota2. but Dota wins on the gameplay side. and some people even say that the large amount of broken/overpowered champions is what keeps it balanced. since you can pretty much use any hero and not get laughed by your teammates.

In my opinion dota is more strategic strategy game. thats keypoints is to outmaneuver enemy using wiser itempicks. selecting correct strategy (trilane or having jungler) and then doing it without fuckking up. But its not that fast paced compared to lol games.
while lol is more real time strategy making quick decisions based on action of your teammates.

and both are games where everyone complains about your pick even if the pick was good. only bad players wouldnt question the importance of your pick like picking lion mid over sniper. Would you question that pick?

[Astral]

A thing I'd want to see more of in League are the custom game modes. Riot has expanded enough to be able to support them beyond more than a month or three, even if they're not willing to.

Playing the different flavors of "push towers, win game," even when Dominion is considered does get old after a while.

DotA 2 has things like Ability Draft, various draft types, All Random Death Match,the custom made game modes that players themselves create, and even a 1v1 solo mid mode.

However, I feel from a programming perspective that League is just too locked down to allow these sorts of things without breaking Adobe Air or any of the other 4 languages or so that they scrapped together to create the client.

[Flying Dice]

It's sort of strange, but in comparison now the biggest thing selling me on LoL over DotA is the client. In LoL I can be browsing the internet and doing whatever while waiting for a match, knowing that I'll have a distinct audio notification when I find one, and when the match loads in.

[UXLZ]

Also, I'd say that League has a better character selection screen. It's nice having them all in a table-ish format rather than in a line. (Unless there's a way to change that in DotA? There might be, it has WAY more UI customization than League does.)

[Astral]

Also, I'd say that League has a better character selection screen. It's nice having them all in a table-ish format rather than in a line. (Unless there's a way to change that in DotA? There might be, it has WAY more UI customization than League does.)

There is. Options for grid, line or simply searching.

[UXLZ]

Thought so. I'll have to change that the next time I play DotA.

How hard is Invoker, like, really?

[Astral]

He's hard on paper, but once you get the hang of him he's fairly versatile. This is speaking as someone who played him for years on and off. The hard part is memorizing his combinations, and knowing what they do well enough to be able to pick what would be best at a given situation, as well as determining what you want your base build to be. After that, you've got a jack of all trades mage that can adapt for a need to CC, drain mana, do horrendous amounts of damage, disarm the enemy's attacks, or even reliably escape with a combination of slows and invisibility.

Come to think of it, I don't think there's a disarm equivalent in League. There's an abundance of standard status effects like slows, stuns and roots, but very rare to see things that affect autoattacks directly, such as Lulu's Polymorph, which also stops spellcasting, and Teemo/Quinn's respective blinds, but they still allow autoattacks to occur.

[UXLZ]

He's soooo fun to play though.
And don't forget the global sniping. :v
I tend to be attracted to the 'high skillcap' champions though, that can do truly horrendous things if you know what you're doing. (There's a reason my main champ in League is Ezreal.) So I really, really wanna learn Invoker.

There used to be a few more enemy-centric things (Heimer's E used to blind) and self-centric things (who remembers Season 1 dodge?) but Riot removed them because 'counterplay' or something. I can't even remember (though Season 1 dodge was kinda BS.)

[Flying Dice]

Yeah, Dodge was just outright bullshit haha. S'the same reason why they made most item passives unique, to avoid stuff like 6x BT or BC absurdness.

[Putnam]

Also, I'd say that League has a better character selection screen. It's nice having them all in a table-ish format rather than in a line. (Unless there's a way to change that in DotA? There might be, it has WAY more UI customization than League does.)

There's a button to set them up in a grid, which is fully customizable. You can also search while in the line format.

It's sort of strange, but in comparison now the biggest thing selling me on LoL over DotA is the client. In LoL I can be browsing the internet and doing whatever while waiting for a match, knowing that I'll have a distinct audio notification when I find one, and when the match loads in.

...Dota has that. Like, even when you have the game muted it'll give you a very obvious chord when you have a game ready.

[Flying Dice]

I didn't notice it. Does it only work in windowed mode? Because I didn't hear a peep and only saw that I had a match because I was alt-tabbing back over to check how long it had been occasionally.