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[Skyrunner]

4.20 is out already?!

[Flying Dice]

Everyone who worked before works now, they just have to back at level 3 to get the better item.

Everyone who "worked" before can't get away with it now, which is probably for the best.

Actually, I should go see if karthus can still clear, it'll be pretty close.

He might have trouble, but I haven't played Karthus jung for a long time so don't take my word on it. It's looking like the ideal first clear, especially for a lot of junglers without massive innate sustain, is to start at golems, smite red, and then back after chickens. Golems gets you level 2, you get a big chunk of HP back from smiting red, &c., so he'd probably need a massive leash at his blue or have to run mana regen and some sort of tankiness to survive that initial clear.

That aside, I'm already loving the way the new line of jungle items is set up. And I really hope the meta of starting at the outer camp sticks, since it makes it much easier for your laners to give a good leash without missing cs.

[frostshotgg]

Karthus has to start blue. He has no other option. Red would be better for the sustain, but it's not an option because mana.

After testing, I wiped to chickens but I played it badly. Part of the problem is that his upside of being stupidly fast means that he doesn't have smite up for the third camp he's at. I dunno, I'll test it some more when the servers are better behaved, but it's not looking optimistic for everybody's favorite suicidal jungler.

[Lord_lemonpie]

Cho is soooo gud in the new jungle. Incredible clearspeed and a lot of sustain. I've played it on pbe a lot, but im really looking forward to play it without lag on EUW.

[ThtblovesDF]

Nocturn is a total beast as always, just farming away - but yeah, the first round in the jungle is brutal now and can really make or break a junglers-viablity. It's nice late/midgame, because even if your just farming for your own sake, clearing camps "does something" (i.e. the wards/crabs/buffs)

[GreatJustice]

AD Malzahar is in a better place than he's been in quite a while. His first clear is way easier thanks to the easy sustain from smite (and alternating the damage taking between himself and his voidlings) and his objective control is as strong as ever, letting him take dragon after dragon on his own. The jungle is harder, but his voidlings still rip through it in record time, and the harder jungle means the old bully junglers that used to cause him problems don't have the health to go after him when he's at his weakest (after/during first clear).

[Lord_lemonpie]

OMG. OMFG.
TY BASED RITO
Some nice new skins on the pbe, including MODDAFUCKING PORO RIDER SEJ, snow day malz, blood moon thresh and elise and a WIP ori skin with a robotic poro instead of her usual ball
All of the new skins

[Flying Dice]

AHAHAHAHAHAAAA! I just had one of those games that reminds me of why I love League so much.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

I ended up on a team with no sense of cohesiveness (or much thought at all except for the Yorick in top, who was great) as sir-farmsalot Udyr jangles, except that I ended up having to babysit bot and mid because our Kalista had no idea what he was doing and theirs was MVP (to the point where more than once theirs 100-0'd ours while on <20% health), Zed that couldn't handle their Xerath, &c. in between stealing every single one of Cho'Gath's blues after the second, so I had almost no stacks.

We lost virtually every fight until we finally caught them in a worse position than we were, aced, and did baron. They promptly went ARAM, and there was basically no chance of us winning a straight fight, in part because most of my team was underfed and in part because they had mountains of AoE from Cho, Rumble, Morgana, and Xerath while only Yorick and I had any MR. So I told my team to hold but not fight while I split top. Our Kalista suicided about five seconds later, but the rest of the team did great and ended up going 3-for-3, while I took down inhib tower, inhib, and one of the nexus towers.

Two or three minutes later they did the exact same thing, and I responded the exact same way. Our Kalista kept up her whining about me not backing with them right up until the point where I beat their entire team at a base race with only a single tower up on them and one wave of minions instead of two. Huehuehuehuehue :V

Sadly chat crashed in the lobby, 'cause enemy team allchat at the end looked like keyboard smashing.

Also, geez but it was lagging badly for a bit. More chops than in a TV chef-show kitchen.

[penguinofhonor]

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[frostshotgg]

Warwick is utter, unrepentant bullshit. Not because of his sustain or anything. But because at 18, his ultimate gets a free 350 true damage, as well as 5 procs of flare devourer, which can do around 80 damage on hit if you're ahead, so it basically has 750 damage over it's listed damage. It's insane.

[IronyOwl]

Warwick is utter, unrepentant bullshit. Not because of his sustain or anything. But because at 18, his ultimate gets a free 350 true damage, as well as 5 procs of flare devourer, which can do around 80 damage on hit if you're ahead, so it basically has 750 damage over it's listed damage. It's insane.

Then all of my dreams have come true, and I should get back to jungle puppy.

[Flying Dice]

Yeah, WW is one of the kings of the jungle right now.

Funnily enough so is Pantheon. Because of how the dragon works now, he can solo it at level 3 without taking any damage.

[Skyrunner]

Warwick is utter, unrepentant bullshit. Not because of his sustain or anything. But because at 18, his ultimate gets a free 350 true damage, as well as 5 procs of flare devourer, which can do around 80 damage on hit if you're ahead, so it basically has 750 damage over it's listed damage. It's insane.

Then all of my dreams have come true, and I should get back to jungle puppy.

He's also permabanned now

Also--Who's Lime Torment? Is that flying dice?

[Flying Dice]

Yep, that's me.

[frostshotgg]

Yeah, WW is one of the kings of the jungle right now.

Funnily enough so is Pantheon. Because of how the dragon works now, he can solo it at level 3 without taking any damage.

Panth can safely solo at level 2. Nidalee can solo at level 1.