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[Bormok, God of Mud]

That means she's getting nerfed. And I quote from Morello:

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Well, there are two choices; I'm OK with both to some extent;

* Rework Poppy and make her a real pick in League, balance appropriately.

* Don't rework Poppy, and never ever buff her, and nerf her if she ever sees play.

The former is a long ways off. Which means the latter has to happen.

Morello you make me sad.

To be fair, he made that statement over a year ago. Here is his response to a reddit threat that brought it up.

Never forget!

(I'm not sure if we'll club her or not - I'd prefer to stop abusing her if we can manage or if there's some team strategy that makes this interesting as opposed to dominant. I need to speak to the Live Gameplay dudes as this develops)

Like Sharp pointed out...

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Mil did basically nothing to shut down Poppy that game, I figure that has to count for something to keep her from getting nerfed to the ground.

[Flying Dice]

I don't really buy the necessity of nerfing Poppy. Literally the only way for a Poppy to do well is if there isn't a laneswap, their lane opponent plays super-passive for the first twenty minutes, and the jungler never ganks. Even then, all it takes is a speed buff akin to Karma's, Sivir's, &c. and the ult fails if it isn't a perfect surprise. :/


OTOH dem bad puns and jokes. XD

[penguinofhonor]

He didn't say she should be nerfed, he said he believed she'd need to be nerfed if she was competitive with her current kit.

[frostshotgg]

She doesn't even have to be competetive to need nerfs. If she sees play, she needs to be nerfed. She needs to be functionally permanently disabled, like Ye Olde Eve.

[Frumple]

... you seem to dislike poppy, frost. Just sort of the vibe I'm getting.

[frostshotgg]

She's a nightmare. If she's good, purple team gets one less ban. If she's okay, she dominates semi-organized play like ranked 5s. If she's bad, people still pick her but can't do anything because she's bad. If she's terrible, she never gets picked and is effectively not an option.

[Arcvasti]

Poppy rework anyone? That might help.

[Flying Dice]

Poppy rework anyone? That might help.

That's the ideal outcome, and she's one of the ones that needs it most, but I'm not counting my champions before they're balanced, to butcher a metaphor.

[frostshotgg]

You have to realize that Poppy getting a rework will only result in her being nothing like she is now, except maybe thematically. Maybe, maybe, she might be designed with being extremely abusable but having a really good lategame in mind, but nowhere to the degree she is now.

[Flying Dice]

You have to realize that Poppy getting a rework will only result in her being nothing like she is now, except maybe thematically. Maybe, maybe, she might be designed with being extremely abusable but having a really good lategame in mind, but nowhere to the degree she is now.

Better than nerfing her into oblivion because people don't understand the concept of shutting down lategame monsters before they get going.

Admittedly, what I'd actually /like/ to see would be a rework that keeps her kit mostly the same except for some toning down of her passive and ult, in exchange for fixing her legacy mana issues.

Because when it really comes down to it, Poppy is very easy to deal with. If she ults to open a teamfight, run away. If she ults to towerdive, run away. If she's picked at all, shut her down hard in lane phase. The only reason a Poppy is ever an issue is because her lane opponent and the enemy jungler didn't do their jobs. In a certain sense, she's similar to Nasus minus the splitpushing power: easy to bully and deny early, slowly turns into a mobile super-tanky bruiser with most of their damage frontloaded onto one ability, and a single really good bit of CC.

[frostshotgg]

That's not a rework, that's a balance tweak. Which returns to my previous point of her balancing. If she's good, she's a god in un- or semi-organized play. If she's bad, she's bait. There is no middle ground, because despite her kit having so much in it, so few are balancing levers. It certainly doesn't help that if you asked 100 players, 99 if not all 100 of them would not be able to fully explain how her passive and R work, they're such complex monstrosities. The closest you can possibly expect her rework to be would be a totally new passive, an upgrade Ali ult, and W that isn't just free stats.

[Frumple]

... poppy's passive and ult are complex monstrosities? What? Half any (non-structure) damage >10% of poppy's current health and "immune to everything but what poppy targets" isn't exactly a host of moving parts. And those are both straight up said in the descriptions.

[Flying Dice]

That's the one part I've really never bought, the claim that damage reduction which scales with missing health is akin to some sort of arcane branch of theoretical physics in terms of how easily the average person can understand it.

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On a completely unrelated note, one of the guys in the next room over just started singing Pentakill songs to himself. xD

[Solymr]

People always forget about the damage amplification part on her ult...

[Frumple]

One would hope that would be the easiest part to understand :V