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[Skyrunner]

The main problem is, there's nothing that gives you mana before you have the 2700ish gold for the final product for Essence Reaver. :/

[Arcvasti]

The main problem is, there's nothing that gives you mana before you have the 2700ish gold for the final product for Essence Reaver. :/

There IS that. Why doesn't it build out of something that grants mana regen? That would make sense. AD items with mana regen are good, but Essence Reaver is really expensive. There should be some cheap mana regen item that has AD, sort of like Vamp Scepter. Not sure what else you'd build it into, but the game would benefit from something like that. Or at least **I** would, which is almost as good.

[frostshotgg]

I didn't mean to dig at AD Malz, that's usually how I play him when I do so, the problem is that no mana regeneration can rectify Malz's problems. He needs max mana, and a lot of it.

[Skyrunner]

We managed to beat them, too! Our team was Yasuo (who fed), Caitlyn, Sivir, Velkoz (who can blow up Fiddlesticks in 0.5 seconds), and Zilean. After slowly pushing down the turrets, secret agent Sivir snuck into their base and took the two inhibs, cinching the victory.

[DemonOfWrath]

I see Essence Reaver mostly as a thing for ranged Manamune users (ie Jayce and Ezreal), because you can just leave it on all day and get the mana from your autos back. Everything else, nah. Non-Manamune champs get it too late in laning to really help, or would get more out of other items. Melee Manamune users don't use autos enough for it to matter, and thus don't actually run into mana problems that Essence Reaver would help with.

[Sinistar]

...But adcs don't have anything except Manamune, which is pretty meh on all of them[I don't play adc that much, because of the aforementioned issues, so feel free to correct me if there's an adc{not Jayce} that Manamune works well with].

Dunno, I like putting Manamune on Urgot.

_{Though I only play co-op. ._.}

[Exerosp]

But adcs don't have anything except Manamune, which is pretty meh on all of them

Well, I don't play Ezreal that much but I find people picking it commonly on him, atleast now that they have that 70-80onhit and target damage when you get the fully upgraded one.

Did Syndra's ult get fixed with Manamune?

[Arcvasti]

But adcs don't have anything except Manamune, which is pretty meh on all of them

Well, I don't play Ezreal that much but I find people picking it commonly on him, atleast now that they have that 70-80onhit and target damage when you get the fully upgraded one.

I've tried it a few times and didn't turn out well. Although its worth a try next time he's free. Might just have been that I sucked back then.

...But adcs don't have anything except Manamune, which is pretty meh on all of them[I don't play adc that much, because of the aforementioned issues, so feel free to correct me if there's an adc{not Jayce} that Manamune works well with].

Dunno, I like putting Manamune on Urgot.

_{Though I only play co-op. ._.}

Manamune on Urgot is really good, I've tried that and it works. Although I don't consider him a full adc since he doesn't do crit and usually goes semi-tank.


Has anyone seen a Doom Bots game WITHOUT Galio? I am SO fucking tired of Galio. Annoying passive AOE CC and damage, high resistances, high healing and really high damage combine to make him the most annoying thing ever[Yes, more even then YOU, Cait].

[Skyrunner]

You forgot his huge chase ability using the gust of wind. It's impossible to escape from a Galio in your face without dashes.

I had one game without him so far. We won easily.

[Flying Dice]

Lux continues to be a path to victory in Doombots for me, only level 5 left to beat. This time I just sat in base and wavecleared all three towers while my team forced a backdoor, because the bots are unwilling to force turrets on their own and don't always base to defend when they need to. Bots are still bots, even with OP abilities. :|

But adcs don't have anything except Manamune, which is pretty meh on all of them

Well, I don't play Ezreal that much but I find people picking it commonly on him, atleast now that they have that 70-80onhit and target damage when you get the fully upgraded one.

I've tried it a few times and didn't turn out well. Although its worth a try next time he's free. Might just have been that I sucked back then.

Most of the Manamune Ezreal builds are really reliant (even more so than usual with Ez) on you landing Q poke constantly. That's part of where the ER/Manamune dynamic really works with him, especially when paired with Triforce or Iceborn Gauntlet; you're never just going to be AAing with Ez, and that sort of build lets you deal the vast majority of your damage via Q, which ofc. requires you to have a very high hit rate on your Qs.

That said, anything resembling a straight blue build is still pretty bad; missing the damage on Tri is just too much, even without other considerations. Or maybe I'm just bad with it, haha.

[frostshotgg]

Keep in mind Lucian beats blue build Ez at his own game now if you choose to build Gauntlet so the point is moot. Blue Ez was originally designed to trade off damage for invincibility from melees, and Lucian with gauntlet is now untouchable while still doing more damage. Still has the same weakness of falling behind means he'll never be relevant for the rest of the game.

[Cthulhu]

Pattern discovered:

Get skin, do bad.

EDIT:  Seriously this is bullshit.

I've been kicking stupid amounts of ass with Talon, usually getting 15+ kills a game.  I decide to get a skin.  Immediately, I'm sucking every game.  I haven't been positive with talon since I got this stupid skin.

[Putnam]

That is the either the oddest coincidence or biggest nocebo effect I've ever seen.

[Cthulhu]

I'm back.

Speaking of placebo, it was the funk.  I only do good with talon when I'm listening to funk.

[Flying Dice]

The key is to get one specific song, irrecoverably associate it with playing Talon well, and then put it on loop any time you pick him.