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[tompliss]

Skyrunner pretty much said everything...

When you get Items, pay attention to item synergy (and read explanation in online guides):
On a melee champ, you'll nearly always need some tankyness, and your kit (and your team) will decide whether you go for really tanky (with Nautilus or Sejuani, for example), of bruiser (more with Xin zhao, Lee Sin, or Aatrox).
the AD carries will need to deal really high damage, and have real synergy between their items, and usually end with a lifesteal item (Blade of the Ruined Ring or Bloodthirster, usually), a crit chance + attack sped item (statikk shiv or Phantom Dancer), the Crit chance + damage item (Infinity edge), and the physical penetration item (Last Whisper).
there is less variation in the vinal build for "classic" AD carries, but they don't all build it in the same order (getting more raw damage if they have high rate on their skills, more crit and lifesteal if they spam their auto attack and have a good auto-buff,...).
On the other side, there are also more weird ADC ("blue buid" Ezreal, for example), so... just try some things !

[Skyrunner]

In the rare case the enemy team messed up and got all AD (you can tell, because they'll all buy swords), or got all AP (all wands/books), you really want to grab the corresponding armor item (Frozen Heart or Randuin's Omen for AD, Banshee's Veil/Spectral Cowl for AP). You can then watch the enemy suddenly deal 50% less damage to you.

The glory of a 300 armor Rammus, or a 300 MR Leona against an all-AD or AP team has to be seen first-hand.

[frostshotgg]

>.>
I'll finish updating the b12 guide at some point. I swear!

[IronyOwl]

Spoiler: Items (click to show/hide)

There are way too many items for them to all make sense at first, so it's natural to be a bit overwhelmed. You'll get used to them and figure out what everything does in time.

Recommended tab is usually at least passable, though as mentioned looking a build up might be better.

Don't be afraid to experiment, especially in bot games, and don't be afraid to do research period. It's generally a lot better to know why you're building whatever you are than to just follow along. It's also usually better to be able and willing to build for the situation than to just build the same thing every time.

Remember that you can list items by stat, which can be helpful if you've got the time to spare.

Spoiler: Runes (click to show/hide)

Runes... some people recommend not getting runes until you hit Level 20, when you can buy Tier 3 runes. Otherwise, you can combine 5 lower-level runes to get a higher-level rune which will then probably be useless because it's the wrong stats. On the bright side, you'll be stronger until level 20.

Remember that you only have 2 rune pages to start with. Most likely you'll want an AP page and an AD page, but this can vary with how you like to play. Unlike masteries, rune pages are finite and it costs 6300 for a new one.

Rune pages may, however, be reset at any time just like masteries. Runes are available in full amounts for each rune page you own. For instance, if you have four T1 +attack damage runes, you can place a maximum of four T1 +attack damage runes on each rune page. But you can place that many on each rune page; they're not tied up by one and thus unavailable for another.

Generally speaking, you'll want "primary" runes, that is, runes that are stat-efficient (like attack damage reds). Secondary runes (like attack damage blues or cooldown reduction reds) are really only viable when you have little or no use for primary ones, which generally doesn't happen.

In the case of Marks (red), this tends to mean either attack damage or armor/magic penetration, depending on whether you're AP or AD. Armor/magic pen lets your physical/magical abilities do more damage late game, while flat attack damage assists in last hitting (and sometimes harassing) early on.

In the case of Seals (yellow), this usually means either flat or scaling armor. Flat helps you early game, scaling helps you more late game. For Glyphs (blue), same deal but with magic resistance.

Quintessences are somewhat more situational. I'd recommend looking up a build and seeing what's available.

[Sonlirain]

Personally i think people should make runepages out of T1 runes and then slowly upgrade them with T3.
Otherwise you just probably feel boxed into one specific role because you only have one good runepage that only really works for AD carries or vice versa.

[Bilbo991]

Hey bilbo991 here, I play on the NA server basically every day so feel free to add me! I'd be happy to play a game or two. My summoner name is the same as my bay12 user!

[Skyrunner]

I hate level 1 invades T_T I just lost a game because all five of them showed up at my blue and everyone pretty much died :p
I should have known it when there wasn't anyone at their blue, but was way too slow to react. Just went like "hmm that's weird".

[tompliss]

And you knew there was nobody at their because ... ?
By the way, I hate it when the mid doesn't get at the right spot in the bushes, to spot the ennemies coming for the invade ...

[webadict]

I still play occasionally. I was taking a bit of a break, but I'll play again.

Webadict on NA. I'd be happy to play with anyone. I honestly don't care how good or bad you are, just as long as you're not expecting to win and you don't purposefully lose or afk, then what do I care?

Not even joking. I was playing with a friend in Draft pick with a trio queue. My friend first picks a jungler, which he called and wanted. Unfortunately, another person wanted jungle (apparently, it was his last game before going out of the country or something), so when he picks, he grabs a jungler. So does the third guy, because my friend says "Duo jungle!". And then the fourth guy. So, I say, sure? Why not? 3 Smite-Teleport junglers, my friend, and me, Revive-Teleport Karthus 1 v 2 bot. We managed to win as well. Apparently, 4-man ganks from nowhere destroy people, who knew?

The point is, if you want to play it, and you're trying, I'll play with you. Especially ARAMs. I love ARAMs. Dominion not so much, and 3v3s are also meh, but I'm a sucker for ARAMs and I'll certainly play Normals or Draft.

On an unrelated note, I've finally seen what low Bronze is like. It's not that bad. I'm not sure why people think it's a bad place.

[Seriyu]

All very good to know, rune info was particularly notable. I might grab some level one runes early on to mess with just to see what's up with them for myself. As of now I haven't really decided what I want to play hero-wise, so I suppose I'll just run with the reccomended builds/try out random junk until I get a playstyle down. Been looking at using viktor or skarner in the free heroes this week. I'll add ya'll when I get on later.

[frostshotgg]

The thing about items is that you just have to learn them. It sucks and takes forever, but knowing what item does what is key to understanding why you'd build it on a given champion.

[webadict]

All very good to know, rune info was particularly notable. I might grab some level one runes early on to mess with just to see what's up with them for myself. As of now I haven't really decided what I want to play hero-wise, so I suppose I'll just run with the reccomended builds/try out random junk until I get a playstyle down. Been looking at using viktor or skarner in the free heroes this week. I'll add ya'll when I get on later.

It's a good idea. Going with the recommended items works okay with a lot of the champs. Don't worry about it until later, when you've understood the items better. Mostly, worry about which champions you like playing. And then play them. Learning the items seems like a harder task than it is, really. I say that only because once you've learned the champions you play, you'll learn the different items that work well on them. You'll notice certain key items that come up a lot, and certain ones you'll never end up buying. You can slowly expand from there, trying different items when you think you'll need them.

[Seriyu]

That's very reassuring to hear, when I come across with a huge complex system like this, my biggest worry is always "is this gonna teach itself over time naturally or am I gonna be reading through piles of guides to even get started?". Good to see it appears to be the former!

[webadict]

That's very reassuring to hear, when I come across with a huge complex system like this, my biggest worry is always "is this gonna teach itself over time naturally or am I gonna be reading through piles of guides to even get started?". Good to see it appears to be the former!

Psh, it took me a long time to even learn the important items. I knew what to buy for the most part, but I didn't switch up my build for different teams. And, honestly, a fairly strong build will work in about 90% of all games. You can worry more about the order to build it in. For now, just worry about the champion. If the recommended items say it's good, it's probably good. If you're uncertain, just ask here.

[Seriyu]

Okay, finished my first bot game, started out terrible but I think I pulled it together a bit better by the end of it, but naturally I have some questions again.

1. I noticed people claiming lanes, I knew they do this, but is there any rhyme or reason to this or is it more "I think I'm better then all of you so I'll take mid and throw a fit if you don't let me"?

2. At one point some guy's portrait had a green light next to it, does that mean anything terribly important?

3. Should I be killing jungle creeps? Just in general? Do you go there and kill creeps if you're feeling weak, do you do it early game, do you do it late game, do only some heroes do it, etc? If there are only a few heroes that do is this a case of "look up a guide" to find out who does?

Other then that, the item shop is a lot less daunting now that I'm actually looking at things for more then a few seconds and not just rushing out because AAA GO GO GO, so thanks for that guys!