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Re: League of Legends - Season 3!
« Reply #11100 on: February 17, 2013, 03:51:12 pm »

Oh wow, look at that, Wolves smashed Gambit into the ground for half the game, then made a single mistake and got demolished in turn. Alex admitting his throws in the interview and acknowledging they couldn't beat EG with the kind of play they showed was kind of funny, though.

Hopefully they analyse the game well, since Wolves just played straight out better in the start.

It's really nice to see these new teams doing well. I'm also glad Dragonborns won against SK, even thought they aren't exactly a new team, I suppose. [also guys, change the name please, it's horrible ugh]

edit : Jimbz is so dreamy... not as dreamy as Genja's monobrow, though  :P

Oh, and watching xPeke commenting reminded me of this, which I believe is one of the best and most impressive things to ever happen in LoL professional play, IEM Katowice SK vs Fnatic : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdN67NuhMW4
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Re: League of Legends - Season 3!
« Reply #11101 on: February 17, 2013, 05:33:01 pm »

Do we have a Bay12 channel set up yet?
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Re: League of Legends - Season 3!
« Reply #11102 on: February 17, 2013, 05:47:22 pm »

Oh, and watching xPeke commenting reminded me of this, which I believe is one of the best and most impressive things to ever happen in LoL professional play, IEM Katowice SK vs Fnatic : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdN67NuhMW4
That was glorious.
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Re: League of Legends - Season 3!
« Reply #11103 on: February 17, 2013, 06:04:14 pm »

I've seen that one before, and it still amazes me.
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Re: League of Legends - Season 3!
« Reply #11104 on: February 17, 2013, 08:16:30 pm »

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Re: League of Legends - Season 3!
« Reply #11105 on: February 17, 2013, 08:21:39 pm »

The somewhat entertaining Wombat is casting the IPL6 solomid qualifier:
http://www.twitch.tv/tsmtournaments
TeamTryAgain vs. DVSpark is on at the moment, featuring a jungle Kassadin.

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Re: League of Legends - Season 3!
« Reply #11106 on: February 21, 2013, 06:50:29 pm »

Welp, guess who's back2uni! And therefore has nothing to do except live in a single room with 2 other guys, be miserable and play games all day!

I stopped playing about 3 months ago, since I went home and had shitty internet. This tanked my elo and Riot stole my red ribbon  :'(

It's all good, though, because I replaced it with a fancy new green one after the second game! No animation, though, for some reason - suspect it'll play next time.

Played six games, lost 2 to teammates focused on diving the enemy akali midpoint and mid-enemy team  - seems like nothing much has changed in the vastness of the Crystal Scar!
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Re: League of Legends - Season 3!
« Reply #11107 on: February 21, 2013, 06:56:06 pm »

DIG-CLG is pretty back and forth.
http://www.twitch.tv/riotgames/popout

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Re: League of Legends - Season 3!
« Reply #11108 on: February 22, 2013, 04:58:23 am »

You play the meta because the meta is safe and the meta wins matches consistently. Go ahead, go get four other people together and start playing matches and completely disregard the meta. Send a Janna top, fuck it dual lane Jarvan Ryze mid, Ezreal bot and Volibear jungling. I'm sure you'll do just as well as the enemy team who is playing by the meta. Only you won't. There's a reason that the meta evolved, it's not like when the game was released Riot put a post out on the forums saying "Okay, Bruiser top, Ganker/Support Jungle, AP mid, Support + ADC bot" The meta is, as of right now, the most efficient way to deal with 90% of the ways the game can be played.

You put an AP mid because their spells scale well with levels (need solo exp.) Being solo also helps them get gold, which they need being a carry. Mid is also the safest lane (having the most distance to the brush), which squishy AP carries desperately need. It also provides an easy avenue for them to gank either the top or the bottom lane.

You put the AD carry bot, as it's relatively out of the way and far away from the top lane which is constantly getting ganked. The AD Carry, which scales the best with gold, get put with a baby sitter  who needs very little gold and also keeps them safe while they get gold. Bottom is also positioned close to dragon, so you can contest it easily in the laning stages of the game.

You put a ganker in the jungle as it creates a fourth gold stream and allows the top to get solo exp and gold. The ganker also helps set up kills and keeps the other lanes safe and healthy. The ganker can also be someone who needs a lot of gold, as they can get gold from the jungle or from kills if need be.

You put someone who can take a lot of damage top (i.e. a Bruiser) because they have a very gankable lane where the jungler can't always help. They also scale well with levels and need gold to do well.

It's efficient, it covers all of the natural weaknesses of each lane and makes a rounded team comp. You're left with scaling damage (ADC) that gets very high in the late game, good early damage (bruisers and jungle), nuking power and early game dominance (AP), and an overall disabler and warder (support.) You also get essentially four goldstreams and three solo exp lanes, making your team as powerful as it can possibly be.

Go ahead, try and give me a comp that could gather gold in a more efficient or equally efficient way compared to the existing meta, as well as transition into teamfights in the later game. Trust me, it's not really possible. I've tried. You can do cheese comps like all-bruiser where you just try to smash them early game when they don't stand a chance, but it's reliant on them expecting the meta. And it they're halfway decent, they'll wait until late game and then you'll get wrecked.

TL;DR Stop complaining about the meta until you can come up with a better one. It's the best way to play the game.
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Re: League of Legends - Season 3!
« Reply #11109 on: February 22, 2013, 07:54:03 am »

The meta is not the best way to play. If it were, deviations from it would always fail, since they'd be worse. The meta is the easiest way to play. That's all it is. Pros use it because it's efficient and deviating from it requires specific circumstances. However, just the influx of 1v2 tops in the recent tournaments is a shift from the meta.

You put the ap mid because they scale with levels and can push - only AD assassins have started crushing traditional ap mids in s3.

You put the AD carry bot - unless you put him and the support top 1v2 to deny the enemy toplaner if you're certain yours can handle a 2v1. Or you run a kill lane and compensate with the other lanes. Or you run AD in the jungle, because you're not a pro-player and below high diamond/low plat the meta is a framework at best.

Nice attempt, but I think your argument - meta is best - is fundamentally flawed. Not to mention that Korean teams who have been known occasionally to absolutely demolish every single NA team and the great majority of the EU ones - often run teamcomps completely contrary to this meta.

edit : Oh wow I got both the prominent leader AND friendliness [or whatever the deep green ribbon is] at the same time! Man I'm so god damn positive.
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Re: League of Legends - Season 3!
« Reply #11110 on: February 22, 2013, 08:01:56 am »

The problem with that entire post is that it's purely dogmatic garbage and the fact you're so certain of it is exactly why everybody complains about the meta. The fact of the matter is, if you were to watch a ton of higher level games, especially Asian teams, the teams have no qualms breaking the meta and games are much more interesting for it. However, everybody who doesn't have a great understanding of game mechanics spews exactly that same dogma, and refuse to do something that will work because of it.
Possibly my favorite comp that completely shatters the meta is something like what those guys with jungledimer did a week or so ago. One guy who scales crazy hard like Olaf top, and four great pushers mid, like Cait and Heim. Your precious meta has no way to deal with it. Hell, most pros have no idea what to do.
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Re: League of Legends - Season 3!
« Reply #11111 on: February 22, 2013, 09:40:44 am »

The problem with that entire post is that it's purely dogmatic garbage and the fact you're so certain of it is exactly why everybody complains about the meta. The fact of the matter is, if you were to watch a ton of higher level games, especially Asian teams, the teams have no qualms breaking the meta and games are much more interesting for it. However, everybody who doesn't have a great understanding of game mechanics spews exactly that same dogma, and refuse to do something that will work because of it.
Possibly my favorite comp that completely shatters the meta is something like what those guys with jungledimer did a week or so ago. One guy who scales crazy hard like Olaf top, and four great pushers mid, like Cait and Heim. Your precious meta has no way to deal with it. Hell, most pros have no idea what to do.
Err... No. There was a specific reason that worked.

I wrote a huge post about why it worked. You can't just magically pick Heimerdinger jungle and win by pushing mid. It was based around countering the enemy team HARD. Now, it was against the meta, but the reason it worked are several, but here's a list, unspoiled since if you haven't seen it, it's been posted for a while.

- Shen enemy top
- Ezreal and Sona enemy bot
- Olaf top with Teleport
- TF mid
- Caitlyn and Blitzcrank bot
- Blue side, so they can't figure out the comp while picking
- Heimerdinger jungle
- Less important, Kha'Zix mid

This worked for these reasons. Shen has horrible early pushing power. Ezreal has horrible early pushing power. Sona has horrible pushing power. TF, Caitlyn, Olaf have straight line pushing abilities. TF and Heimerdinger have stuns. Blitzcrank and Heimerdinger zone hard. Caitlyn has high range. Caitlyn, TF, and Heimerdinger have lots of poke. Four mid removed jungle support to counter Olaf's lane, so Shen gets destroyed. Olaf starts with blue, for infinite harassing power against Shen as well as an early level. Olaf teleports bot to push that out once he's thoroughly pushed top. Caitlyn and TF both scale well with money, which they get for towers. Everyone bought Doran's items for health and AP/AD.

Like... You don't just say it destroys the meta. It doesn't. It counters the team comp. If they had had a different enemy team, say, Graves bot or Orianna mid or Jax top, they would have lost. No joke. They put thought and effort into that team comp to counter THAT SPECIFIC TEAM COMP.

The fact is the meta IS safer. Not because it's easier. The reason people FOLLOW it is because it's easier to follow a plan than to not. Higher level play messes around with the meta because they grasp the mechanics and reasoning behind the meta. Just as Tyg13 said. There's reasoning behind the meta. If I play Kassadin jungle, then I better hope I understand the concept behind a jungler. Why do I even play jungler? Why not duo-top? Why not tri-bot? Why not quint-mid? If no one understands the reasons FOR the meta, then the enemy team will lose more often.

The meta is not the best way to play. If it were, deviations from it would always fail, since they'd be worse. The meta is the easiest way to play. That's all it is. Pros use it because it's efficient and deviating from it requires specific circumstances. However, just the influx of 1v2 tops in the recent tournaments is a shift from the meta.

You put the ap mid because they scale with levels and can push - only AD assassins have started crushing traditional ap mids in s3.

You put the AD carry bot - unless you put him and the support top 1v2 to deny the enemy toplaner if you're certain yours can handle a 2v1. Or you run a kill lane and compensate with the other lanes. Or you run AD in the jungle, because you're not a pro-player and below high diamond/low plat the meta is a framework at best.

Nice attempt, but I think your argument - meta is best - is fundamentally flawed. Not to mention that Korean teams who have been known occasionally to absolutely demolish every single NA team and the great majority of the EU ones - often run teamcomps completely contrary to this meta.

edit : Oh wow I got both the prominent leader AND friendliness [or whatever the deep green ribbon is] at the same time! Man I'm so god damn positive.

Meta is best. At least, in soloqueue. There's a plan to follow. People need a plan. Otherwise, how will they have any idea what to do? Sure, you might have a plan that works well, but that involves micromanaging, which is difficult to do with random strangers. Random strangers have unknown skills, unknown play styles, and unknown attitudes. The meta is an accepted strategy by all. They know that is works, even if they don't know why.

Sure, when you're playing with your friends, it might work. You can communicate. So, in this case, easiest might seem like the right description, but best is actually better. Without that plan you've pre-agreed to, you better hope your comrades can think on their feet. That's not a skill you can just assume they have. Not everyone needs a plan, but some do. Without that plan, they screw up. Make mistakes. Lose sight.

Now, if you ask your teammates, then it can work out pretty well. You don't have to follow the meta, but if they want to, you're going to have problems.
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Re: League of Legends - Season 3!
« Reply #11112 on: February 22, 2013, 09:50:17 am »

Not related to the meta or anything, but apparently AP Tryndamere gained a sudden burst of popularity. Sure, the heals are great and his spin gets some actual power behind it, but I still thought it felt pretty underwhelming compared to normal AD Tryndamere. I might just be building him wrong, went Rabadon + Rylai's + Lich Bane and then tossed a Gunblade on top for the slow and a little bit of AD to actually become a threat when the RNG decides I'm not allowed to crit for a few seconds.
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« Reply #11113 on: February 22, 2013, 09:59:59 am »

Zhonya's is a decent choice on AP Trynd, Seeker's Armguard is a nice early item and zhonya's is useful for just burning time to wait for a cooldown to spin over a wall or activate ultimate.

I'm actually liking AP Leona top, it works well if the enemy top isn't too tanky, with a Sheen and ignite and level 6 the burst just comes out is crazy.
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Re: League of Legends - Season 3!
« Reply #11114 on: February 22, 2013, 10:09:47 am »

AP Leona? I thought her AP scaling was abysmal?


Edit: Checked it. The scaling on her q, w,e and ulti is 30%, 30%, 40% and 80% respectively. Pretty lousy, although I guess your tankiness makes up for it. Also, solo lane means you don't get much traction out of your passive, unless the jungler is babysitting you.
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