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[Sharp]

Also Gunblade has a bigger range of 700 (vs 500 for BotRK and 400 for Cutlass). If you want an item for ranged slow I would easily say Gunblade over anything else even if your a champ with no AP scaling.

[Angle]

Also the health shred is really sucky unless they're completely building health, cause it goes based of their current health.

[Jopax]

So what's up with Gambit, their last two games they did just horribly, lots of stupid moves and simply dying all the freaking time allowing the other team to snowball way too easily. What the fuck guys, did someone threaten you to force you to lose or something?

[Graven]

I've no idea and it's making me rage harder than I probably should. They smashed through both Azubus at Katowice, and now can't get their act together against god damn CLG.EU?

SO MAD.

edit : Wait, is this a lan game or online? I remember before they were pretty horrible at internet games, but crushed through LAN events. Hopefully it's something like that again. Because in all my time watching pro LoL [this is a phrase I still can't say with a straight face, btw] I've not seen another team as entertaining to watch as M5 at their best, for the sheer "whoa" factor of their teamplay.

[DemonOfWrath]

Can someone tell me if the ragers and assholes start dropping off at higher levels (unlikely I know)? At level 16/17/18 and all of a sudden I'm getting someone about every second game who starts raging and verbally abusing people for any perceived flaws they're making the moment things aren't to our advantage, which is starting to sap the fun out of playing. Of course they never see if they're stuffing up as well and they seem incapable of giving constructive criticism and instead just resort to throwing swears and insults around.

Consolation is it's rather fun to deliberately annoy them when I get the chance. Just had a game as Ashe (my 4th time playing her) against another Ashe who was obviously out-playing me (good learning experience though) though I wasn't making any massive mistakes that I could see, but my lanemate Olaf (god it's annoying to try and learn adc when you have to compete for kills) kept hurling abuse at me. After 5 mins or so of this he starts raging that I don't currently have any potions. So I teleport back and buy some, leaving him (deliberately I'll admit, but he deserved it) alone at low hp. Needless to say, he gets killed and starts raging again to which I reply "but you said to buy potions, maybe you should give better advice?". Not the nicest thing to do, but it was ~8 mins into the game and I just wanted it over by that point because of him.

That or getting acknowledged by the non-raging teammates is always nice. Another game I was being raged at as mid, but it was somewhat deserved this time as I was playing seriously, seriously awfully. Do eventually pull back a bit and end up with a crapload of assists (which he conveniently ignores when raging that I've gone 0/8 when I've got 17 assists), game ends as a win and I got 2 teamwork awards from the other guys on the team, which was a fantastic perk-up after 30-40 mins of having abuse hurled at me.

So yeah, is there any improvement later on in player attitudes? I'd like to be able to try and learn a champ or have a poor game (we all have them sometimes) and still actually have fun doing so beyond being annoyed at all the mistakes I see myself making.

[Angle]

Probably? I never see that stuff, and I'm sorta good (good enough to wreck face when a premade drags me into lower elo). But then, I only pay attention to chat to watch for mias and stuff, so *Shrugs*.

[DemonOfWrath]

Yeah it's basically just after hitting level 17 that I'm seeing it all of a sudden, before that it was a rare game that had an arse in it.   

[Virex]

I've found that playing draft makes a huge difference. Sure, there's the occasional asshole and the common verbal fistfights over positions, but in my experience you don't get as many of them as in free pick mode.

[Absolute Niro]

I've found that playing draft makes a huge difference. Sure, there's the occasional asshole and the common verbal fistfights over positions, but in my experience you don't get as many of them as in free pick mode.

I second this. Draft Pick is poor man's ranked.

[Knirisk]

I've found that playing draft makes a huge difference. Sure, there's the occasional asshole and the common verbal fistfights over positions, but in my experience you don't get as many of them as in free pick mode.

I second this. Draft Pick is poor man's ranked.

Agreed. I've recently taken to choosing a lot more Draft Pick, and there's far far more discussion about lanes than anywhere else I've seen. The only problem I've had is when some teammates almost counterpick themselves because they want to play a specific champion.

[webadict]

Psh. You'll never stop seeing those guys ever. But who cares? If it's not constructive, don't listen.

Also, why is it when I play normally, I suck, but when I play abnormally, I win? I mean, I always win duo-mid or top, double AP bot with ADC mid. Okay, maybe not always, but a fair amount of time, it's a stomp. Yesterday, I played support Zyra duo-top with Garen, and it was a destructive win. It was a lot of their jungler's fault, but we managed to completely shut down top and mid, and bot wasn't able to carry for them. I kinda want to do some math on the downside of these things.

[Jopax]

Mostly because people can't really adapt to something like that and are either too stubborn or too dumb to switch or change up their strategy according to yours.

Also had one of the most rage inducing support Nida's ever. First off she just keeps AA-ing minions not letting me get CS because of that, I tell her to stop because I can't farm, she says "OK" before continuing to do it. Then we push out bot after a while and she misses no chances to go bot and push atleast a wave or two deep into the enemy lane, forcing me to either starve myself of farm or go with the wave and get ganked by Voli, who had the most range inducing ability of proccing his Q just as my Trist was halfway trough her jump, ending with me standing there like an idiot because I just wasted my only escape only to end up behind the fat fuck. Then came the fights where no one paid mind to keeping me safe or providing me with kills. Which ended up with the enemy Draven who had less farm and died quite a bit more being more useful in teamfights than me who barely got an Infinity Edge and some 150 CS by the 30 minute mark.

Then there was this Xin, oh man, this Xin. He built damage, and only damage, this enabled him to mass up a huge amount of gold upon himself early game as he could easily get kills. Then he started dying quicker than me since he was in the thick of it and never really went over some 2k hp. We told him multiple times to get hp or tank up. NOPE! MUST BUILD MORE BLOODTHIRSTERS!!!!

Seriously, I'm considering stopping for a while, the idiots and dicks are getting to me, or I could just switch to playing vs Bots like my roommate does, who still has fun because the biggest thing that can happen there is someone accusing you of being a killstealer.

[Angle]

You should play with premades. Cuts the idiot factor by a huge margin. My username is Ribbonwing, send me a request and we can play some matches.

[Jopax]

I'm on EU East, not sure which server you are on.

Anyways, lets do another ranked I say, can't be that bad, even if the last five or six games were all losses.

Cue me calling anything but jungle or support roles, stating my preference for going top. Our first pick locks Jarvan, I'm forced to go support. Take Soraka, our Graves DC'es twice, giving the other team four kills in the process (I try to save his ass without realizing what happened until the annoucer says it a few seconds later). Our Jarvan also faces Singed on top, starting the fight with Cloth+5 pots and turning it into Ninja Tabi for some reason.

Singed is now fed as fuck now, as is MF, I die constantly to no effect since I don't have much AP. I also can't place many wards since they have so much (Wriggle and all that sightstone jazz) and I get ganked every time I go past the river (which I haven't done past their red camp yet).

Fun times indeed.

[IronyOwl]

Also, why is it when I play normally, I suck, but when I play abnormally, I win? I mean, I always win duo-mid or top, double AP bot with ADC mid. Okay, maybe not always, but a fair amount of time, it's a stomp. Yesterday, I played support Zyra duo-top with Garen, and it was a destructive win. It was a lot of their jungler's fault, but we managed to completely shut down top and mid, and bot wasn't able to carry for them. I kinda want to do some math on the downside of these things.

Mostly because people can't really adapt to something like that and are either too stubborn or too dumb to switch or change up their strategy according to yours.

I've certainly noticed the inverse of this. Every goddamn time I think to myself "What the, they don't even have an ADC, this should be easy!" we end up derping our way into a loss. I've finally come to the (untested) conclusion that every time the enemy has a derpy teamcomp, I need to communicate really well with my team or we'll just fumble headfirst into defeat for no reason.

First off she just keeps AA-ing minions not letting me get CS because of that, I tell her to stop because I can't farm, she says "OK" before continuing to do it.

Also I have never gotten this. I mean, there's terrible, terrible things you can do as support, like taking bot farm when the carry isn't technically right at that spot yet, that is bad and should make them feel bad, but that has some understandable motivation behind it- they want the gold, and that's overriding whatever minimal desire they might have to give the carry that gold.

But autoattacking minions? How goddamned hard is it to not autoattack? Are they unwilling to steal your last hits directly but still so desperate for gold that they're just going to autoattack and hope they nab a few? Are they secretly seething in rage at some aspect of this game and letting you know about it by being awful? Are they just that unable to not do anything while in lane? It's genuinely just freaking bizarre.


Also reminds me of the absolute worst instance I've ever had of this, a Lux "support" who did this, along with occasionally aoeing the caster line. Possibly because I was playing Vayne, it was absolutely ruinous to by cs, to the point where she was never trailing far behind me in it. Our Katarina finally placed her mid, and immediately I could farm again. I had never thought of Kat players as charitable or team-oriented before that, but that was an absolute blessing.

Though actually, she might have only been tied with the Garen who intentionally whirled down my caster line and then bitched that I wasn't doing damage or something. When called out on this, he did the usual of telling me to stfu (or just said "shhhhhhhh" or similar) and claimed he carried on some character (possibly Garen) without getting farm.

Oh man, some "supports" are just Fun.

Anyways, lets do another ranked I say, can't be that bad, even if the last five or six games were all losses.

Cue me calling anything but jungle or support roles, stating my preference for going top. Our first pick locks Jarvan, I'm forced to go support.

This I have at least been fortunate with, at least recently. Jungle is the only role I really don't like, so through a combination of calling the last bot role and jungler often being third pick anyway, I haven't had to do it in a while.

I should probably get some more practice in on it anyway, but I just don't have any ganksense. Every other role I'm fine at (ever since I got Vayne, anyway), but jungling just doesn't really work out for me.