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[Sharp]

Well Olaf got nerfed hard. Directly he got nerfed by axe slow fading so easier to escape (makes it harder for him to chase) and he doesnt get passive armour pen from his ult and has to activate it which reduces his damage output a fair bit.

Indirectly health got nerfed and Olaf needs to build health so it costs more for him to get health. So yeah olaf a lot less deadly since patch.

[Orangebottle]

Well Olaf got nerfed hard. Directly he got nerfed by axe slow fading so easier to escape (makes it harder for him to chase) and he doesnt get passive armour pen from his ult and has to activate it which reduces his damage output a fair bit.

Indirectly health got nerfed and Olaf needs to build health so it costs more for him to get health. So yeah olaf a lot less deadly since patch.

Sorry, but I know he got nerfed. Not what I was asking. I was asking, how can you possibly come close to beating a good Olaf?

[Sirian]

S3 was actually a buff for her. Her Q gotmade worth much more, and she can afford more ad now.

Yeah, this is pretty much all true.

I'm aware of that BUT her Q is almost useless during the laning phase (her other skills give more damage), so it's only good for late game. However, since you have a hard time early/mid, you can't really snowball that well. And everyone else can afford more AD too (but with scaling on their skills unlike her). Also, most of her core items have been nerfed (last whisper, infinity edge, phantom dancer, bloodthirster, all nerfed one way or another... plus madred got removed and wriggle's is now much more jungle-oriented) so she has less of an impact lategame compared to Season 2.

[penguinofhonor]

Tristana bad early game? She's basically Graves-lite.

Oh and Tryndamere and Shen of all people get a buff.

He's usually a total facesmasher unless countered hard by CC (even more in S3 where building tanky got nerfed) and he still gets buffed and Shen is probably the best tank in the game all the way since he got added.

Shen did not get buffed.

[burningpet]

Trist is actually pretty good early game, its her mid game that is weaker. i think the Passive on her E should be a toggle, sometimes it prevents her from getting last hits.

[frostshotgg]

Trist's early game is frankly one of the strongest in the game. Her burst is just completely absurd. If she's been doing her job and dropping e on you at every chance, she can towerdive you at level 6, get a kill or two, and then hop out and keep on farming.
Her crutch is her mid game. Her burst falls off, and she isn't at her unkillable 700 range + knockback + jump mode yet.

[Sharp]

Sorry, but I know he got nerfed. Not what I was asking. I was asking, how can you possibly come close to beating a good Olaf?

Well it's hard to beat a good anyone, in the mid-game Olaf works on hunting the squishy's and with his CC immunity ulti it means he can normally get to them, however there are ways around it but really it relies on good teamwork, Olaf is a tanky beast but you can use his CC-immunity against him by AoE CC (Frozen Gauntlet useful for ADC for this) on rest of the team while moving back leaving more distance between Olaf and them.

For an ADC it's sometimes better after you have used your escapes and Olaf is still on you to just stand your ground and try and lifesteal back your way, it will take longer for him to kill you and hopefully buy you time for your team to kill him alternativley just ignore him from the start and focus on whoever has the least armour to get more lifesteal easily. If your AP carry in the teamfight and Olaf targets you then its best just to try and use all your abilities before you die if your a squishy AoE caster

[penguinofhonor]

We are never, ever, ever queuing up together.

[werty892]

We are never, ever, ever queuing up together.

So true. This is what happens when I play with my friends -.-

[Sirian]

Trist's early game is frankly one of the strongest in the game. Her burst is just completely absurd. If she's been doing her job and dropping e on you at every chance, she can towerdive you at level 6, get a kill or two, and then hop out and keep on farming.
Her crutch is her mid game. Her burst falls off, and she isn't at her unkillable 700 range + knockback + jump mode yet.

I'm not saying she has a bad early (although it depends a lot on her support), but i'm just saying that since AD is cheaper now, any champion with AD scaling (like graves, caitlyn, ezreal...) will have an easier time compared to before, but not trist. Also, she doesn't have that great of a range early on, so she can't poke with her AA as much as some others.

So basically i'm not saying she's bad (she's still my main for a reason), i'm just saying that, compared to Season 2, she has lost some power, so she's in a relatively weaker position. Heck, she's the second last AD carry for win rate on LoLking (just a bit above vayne, i guess this one suffered the most from the nerf to AS).

Or, i don't know, maybe it's just my imagination. But I've been playing her A LOT, so i'm fairly confident in my analysis.

[PsyberianHusky]

Alot of good build guides on alot of champions start with an early phage, can anyone break down WHY early phage is so good?

[penguinofhonor]

Because phage is overpowered.

[Knirisk]

Alot of good build guides on alot of champions start with an early phage, can anyone break down WHY early phage is so good?

Phage gives both a minor amount of damage and health and more importantly, especially on top lane, allows you to disengage from the enemy more easily if you're losing the trade, and also deal more damage if you're winning the trade.

An enemy who's running away is not dealing damage. When they're slowed, they take longer to run away, so you can get in more damage.

In addition, it can branch off into Triforce or Frozen Mallet, depending on whichever one you need. Although, the early phage is probably still a relic from Season 2. The same guides recommending an early phage would probably recommend an early brutalizer now instead.

Or maybe both.

[frostshotgg]

Phage is an easy way for bruisers to build health and damage, and that passive is just plain stupid.

[Jopax]

So I played two ranked games yesterday, S3 starting and all that. First game we got stomped hard, still not sure what happened, I lost top to Jax (was Vi), it was easy at first but at a certain point he could just outburstme and afterward I would either run or die. Our Lux somehow horribly lost mid to Ryze (seriously, how does that even happen, he claimed that he can't aim that well (WHY WOULD HE PLAY LUX THEN!?!?!)).

Second game went much better tho, I was forced to Jungle (because Rengar insisted on getting top, only to cry once the game started that he can't go solo top because of Xin) as Vi again, it was not that fun at first but eventually our Ashe got fed, I had to babysit Rengar a lot (who also did some silly things) and eventually we beat them rather hard somehow.

Also, after enough annoyances I refunded Elise and got Jayce instead, and he's fun, brutally fun and good, keeping him definitely.