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Author Topic: League of Legends - Patch 7.22 - Runes Reforged  (Read 1286931 times)

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Re: League of Legends Updated! - Preseason Balance Update 2
« Reply #10845 on: January 18, 2013, 06:44:42 am »

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We just pointed out that eve's ult is broken as shit and takes care of her lack of tank in essence. Riot acknowledged that it was dumb champ design with these nerfs. When a champion is either 100% perma ban or picked and goes 20-2 (yes even I a shitty player have done that well) several. Times.

These changes are definitely warranted if you have paid any attention to the tournaments or solo queue lately. Her kit is hard to balance and she is just lame to play or play against. The very epitome of 'no fun allowed' champ
Her kit would be fine if she wasn't invisible. Then she'd be played as a bruiser! She'd still be broken, just slightly less broken.
Well, according to the hard statistical facts, Eve has almost the highest win% and K/D ratio and has highest mid lane winning ratio. across all levels (including diamond).

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On topic: Eve was nerfed a tiny amount, and I honestly dont see how this will make her less OP. And she is, for the record. Though good eves are few and far between these days.

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Re: League of Legends Updated! - Preseason Balance Update 2
« Reply #10846 on: January 18, 2013, 07:40:09 am »

Ah yes. Bay12 I love you. Where even the rage arguments dont degenerate into homophobic slurs and people stay (relatively) civil.
Or, for the most part, meaninglessly short, often sarcastic or mocking comments that state something without backing up or explaining it in any way.
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Re: League of Legends Updated! - Preseason Balance Update 2
« Reply #10847 on: January 18, 2013, 09:49:30 am »


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It's hopeless trying to talk to you because you still think Eve was balanced to begin with! I can't change your mind if you refuse to believe it. The only way you could rationalize that is to believe every other champion was underpowered in comparison, which is crazy amounts of stupid. And stupid amounts of crazy.

Just fyi, I won't considered her balanced until she loses her passive or she has her ult annihilated. Changing it to current health was a good start, but it'll still do most of its damage anyway if she starts the fight with it. And boohoo about your mana costs. No one is complaining when you gain 1% of your mana per second. She won't be a bruiser until she loses the passive anyway.
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Re: League of Legends Updated! - Preseason Balance Update 2
« Reply #10848 on: January 18, 2013, 10:08:33 am »

Orange has to be crazy, pick Ziggs to counter Eve. All Skillshot champ vs the fastest champ out there, that makes sense.
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Re: League of Legends Updated! - Preseason Balance Update 2
« Reply #10849 on: January 18, 2013, 01:16:30 pm »

Ah yes. Bay12 I love you. Where even the rage arguments dont degenerate into homophobic slurs and people stay (relatively) civil.
Or, for the most part, meaninglessly short, often sarcastic or mocking comments that state something without backing up or explaining it in any way.
Thanks captain obvious.

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« Reply #10850 on: January 18, 2013, 08:40:38 pm »

Orange has to be crazy, pick Ziggs to counter Eve. All Skillshot champ vs the fastest champ out there, that makes sense.
He's got a ton of CC. If you're up against a bad evelynn/have vision wards in mid, she'll be forced to initiate with her W, which allows you to severely punish her for even trying. Ziggs' crowd control combined with pure damage stomps evelynn once she's popped her W.
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Re: League of Legends Updated! - Preseason Balance Update 2
« Reply #10851 on: January 18, 2013, 08:46:12 pm »

Orange has to be crazy, pick Ziggs to counter Eve. All Skillshot champ vs the fastest champ out there, that makes sense.
He's got a ton of CC. If you're up against a bad evelynn/have vision wards in mid, she'll be forced to initiate with her W, which allows you to severely punish her for even trying. Ziggs' crowd control combined with pure damage stomps evelynn once she's popped her W.
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WHAT.

Did you just say that a slow and a pop-up count as "tons of CC"?

And not to mention, these are both skill shots against a fast moving target.

I can't be sure whether you're just horrendously BAD at the game or trolling, because you cannot honestly believe that.
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Re: League of Legends Updated! - Preseason Balance Update 2
« Reply #10852 on: January 18, 2013, 09:39:20 pm »

Ziggs' CC is actually really good if it's used defensively. That's his thing, though: big AOE damage and zone control.

It's not the kind of CC you use to kill people, though. But it's good defensively. If you're melee and he throws one of his CCs between you, you're probably not getting through. If he throws them both down, give up or gap-close.

Source: Jungling and ganking Ziggs a lot. He's slightly easier than Lux, and she's probably the most difficult no-escape mid to gank.
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Re: League of Legends Updated! - Preseason Balance Update 2
« Reply #10853 on: January 18, 2013, 10:17:03 pm »

Ziggs does *not* have a lot of CC. His slow is used for damage, and the slow part of it is extremely short and also a small value. It's used to keep enemies from just completely running away while he bursts them. His W is one of THE most awkward pieces of CC in the game. It almost doesn't count at CC. I didn't want to be a part of this argument, but Eve is definitely quite strong right now, because stealth is a thing, and she needed the nerfs to be brought in line. Ziggs is definitely a mediocre at best counter to Eve, honestly, the best I can think of off the top of my head is Ryze or Annie.
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« Reply #10854 on: January 18, 2013, 10:28:30 pm »

You'd think so, but even if her lane opponent is someone "strong" against her, her main deal is ganking other lanes. Also, she's still able to fight most of those "counters" anyhow.
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« Reply #10855 on: January 19, 2013, 12:16:36 am »

The fact that Ziggs' slow is mostly used to keep people from running away has nothing to do with the fact that it's also great at stopping melee dudes from coming towards you. Ziggs' W is the same deal - completely useless to hold someone down, but great at preventing them from crossing the AOE.

Admittedly Orange wasn't too clear, but I don't think he meant Ziggs can hold down someone while he bursts them. More like setting up an E whenever she uses W to come at him and hitting her with a Q while she's slowed. At least that's the smartest move I can see. It also relies on being able to bait the enemy Eve's W, which is admittedly unreliable at best.
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Re: League of Legends Updated! - Preseason Balance Update 2
« Reply #10856 on: January 19, 2013, 12:26:29 am »

Don't forget that Ziggs is squishy. If we're talking about pre-nerf Eve, Ziggs would have been dead basically as soon as she appears to him thanks to ult range.

Now he stands a better chance.

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Re: League of Legends Updated! - Preseason Balance Update 2
« Reply #10857 on: January 19, 2013, 12:46:43 am »

Pandannie.
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Dat recall animation...
I hope with the art overhaul that's her recall animation with all her skins.
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Re: League of Legends Updated! - Preseason Balance Update 2
« Reply #10858 on: January 19, 2013, 03:45:49 am »

Pandannie.
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Dat recall animation...
At first that looked like Pirate Annie and I wanted it so bad.

Still looks fairly nice, or at least Tibbers does. And yes, dat recall.
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Re: League of Legends Updated! - Preseason Balance Update 2
« Reply #10859 on: January 19, 2013, 06:14:52 am »

The fact that Ziggs' slow is mostly used to keep people from running away has nothing to do with the fact that it's also great at stopping melee dudes from coming towards you. Ziggs' W is the same deal - completely useless to hold someone down, but great at preventing them from crossing the AOE.

Admittedly Orange wasn't too clear, but I don't think he meant Ziggs can hold down someone while he bursts them. More like setting up an E whenever she uses W to come at him and hitting her with a Q while she's slowed. At least that's the smartest move I can see. It also relies on being able to bait the enemy Eve's W, which is admittedly unreliable at best.

Eve doesn't need to use W to reach Ziggs, if anything after Ziggs uses his mines she can W cleanse off the slow while Eve can just circle round with hatespikes, good luck trying to catch her plus Zigg's has huge cooldowns on his abilities so it's easy to feint an engage and make him waste his 'CC'.

Leblanc is good vs Eve, Eve can't escape for LeBlancs slow and the long silence helps as well and distortion means she can juke eve. Of course LB sucks in team-fights and is only good for nuking down 1 target at a time by rolling on the keyboard.
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