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[Sharp]

Also how's Vi? I just logged in to buy her, but I can't actually play, since my internet is a step below sending smoke signals right now, and I keep reading she's not that great.

Doesn't seem that great, saw some diamond solo Q playing with Vi and was pretty horrible. Was playing Vi as jungler though and looking at her abilities she seems much more like a top laner bruiser then a jungler. Dunno about Dominion though, her denting blows is like Vayne's silver bolts but being a melee char makes it possible to kite, and only having knock-up on ulti while knock-back on Q means she doesn't really have much natural CC, then long cd on abilities makes it hard as well, looks like she can do a lot of damage if team-mates have stuns or if she can knockback enemy into wall (dunno how far back it goes, don't think it will be as good as Poppy or Ali's, i think maybe like Maokai's) and having some nice natural tankiness when engaging but seems way to easy to kite and dodge.

I rate her as pretty sucky top lane champ, not great jungler (like naut), but possibly decent support for an AD carry with CC because she has an ok engage and the armour reduction on her W and 10% of max health damage can make her do tons of damage while being a bit tanky and lets ad carry do lots more damage.

Probably wouldn't play her at all on Dominion. Treat her as Naut imo.

[frostshotgg]

I think she's actually quite good. People will dis her as useless and shitty for a while, then some pro will realize how good she is, and then she'll become FotM and permabanned. Just like every other "UP" champion in the last while, excepting Syndra and Rengar.

[baruk]

I think she's actually quite good. People will dis her as useless and shitty for a while, then some pro will realize how good she is, and then she'll become FotM and permabanned. Just like every other "UP" champion in the last while, excepting Syndra and Rengar.

I'll just leave this link here..
_{Rengar picked in 19 games, banned in 42 out of 76 at IPL5.}

[frostshotgg]

No, I'm definitely aware of how godlike Rengar was for a couple patches. The reason I exempted him from the list was because he *was* quite UP on release, but then he got a lot of buffing. It was weird.
The only other exception there was Syndra because whether or not she's really as useless as people say is quite up for debate. She's an Annie-era burst mage in a meta that's centered around continuous dps.

[Sharp]

I'm not saying she is shit or even UP. I think she will make quite a good support but her problem is that she is a bruiser with low CC, she isn't an assassin and with no stuns or slows and a long CD dash she doesn't have the potential to inflict lots of damage without any help.

That being said, plant a frozen fist on her and she should do quite well as top or jungle, but she really needs the CC items on her so I think it should be quite easy to out-farm her and harass her on top lane.

[ThtblovesDF]

Her Metal ... chest.... armor... things...  bounces in the login screen. Thats my opinion of vi...

[Orangebottle]

So, I was playing Vi in a 3v3 yesterday.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Do I win a prize?

[Sharp]

So I lost to a Vi jungler, however it was our mid and bot's fault (I was having fun as Singed top). Vi was never a threat solo but seemed to gank bot and mid quite well, however after laning phase our mid still got caught by the obvious ganks. Vi's ulti + Leona + rest of team coming in = dead Ori.

That being said when Vi came to gank me top I turned it around and got a nice 2 kills while living although I was facing Mord and he played quite well to deny me farm early but I still won the lane with my worst exchange being taking Mord down with me, but with mid and bot fed it was hard to be tanky, especially when they had 2 Liandry's and were able to take loads of drakes uncontested, still almost turned it around in the end but their MF and Mord got fairly fed.

Anyway long story short, Vi not really that powerful, was easy to avoid her attacks but can still gank against stupid people (same for most champs), I think Vi only got 2 assists on me in the teamfights where Mord and Cassiopeia combined smashed my beautiful gigantic health bar.

[Wiles]

I'd have to play her more on SR but I think Vi is actually pretty strong and can dish out a lot of damage in a short period of time. I feel like she'd be even stronger if she had another teammate with strong initiation. I can see her being a pain for ADCs because of the distance she can travel with her Q and her ult.

The only champion I've had a particularly hard time against was pantheon. His skill that lets him block basic attacks can completely shut down her damage output if ends up that his shield comes up when Vi's passive is going to proc. Although I did better when I figured this out and made sure I wasn't wasting her E ability when his shield was up. 

[frostshotgg]

I think you're just playing/watching Vi wrong. She's an Ok-ish top, terrible support, but she's absolutely insane in the jungle. She decimates camps, and her ult basically is a guranteed kill every time it's off cooldown.

[baruk]

No, I'm definitely aware of how godlike Rengar was for a couple patches. The reason I exempted him from the list was because he *was* quite UP on release, but then he got a lot of buffing. It was weird.

This seems to be a stubborn perception that just won't go away. He got some minor buffs in one patch, which mainly focused on quality of life changes, along with a nerf to AP Rengar. Release Rengar was arguably stronger than the Elise patch version played at IPL 5. For me he is the perfect example of an "UP" champion on release, who turned out to be much stronger than initially thought.
Rengar patch history

[frostshotgg]

You say QoL, I say holyshitdoyouseethosebuffs. Those might look tiny, but they were definitely massive. 10% more MS on demand, Q does damage all the time now, E works properly, and he has a W now. The one biggest line there "No longer has a cast time". Before, his W was completely useless. After it became max first all the time.

[Yodamaster]

Yeah, I have to agree, Rengar pre-buff was very hard to play.

[penguinofhonor]

I love jungle Vi. 4 wins and 2 losses with her so far. Two gap closers, hard CC, a wall jump, and a ton of damage. Yeah, she doesn't have everything, but she rocks.

Also I just picked up Pantheon and jungled with him for a game. He's pretty pathetic at actually clearing but his ganks are pretty much 100% lethal. I'm still mastering the mandrop. Right now I'm trying to decide whether wriggles or lizard spirit is better on him.

I just wish his passive worked properly with jungle monsters. They managed to make it not block the little monsters, which is great, but it only blocks the big wraith or big wolf like half the time. Fiora's Riposte has the same bug, though it's worse on her since it can result in you blowing the mana and cooldown on nothing.

[Graven]

Man I still can't get to play, why does bulgarian internet suck so much in small towns god damn FREE SWAIN WEEK.

Anyway, it turns out Vi has a couple of sweet quotes when ulting champions or even on events, so I'm not angry about buying her blind even if she sucks. Admittedly I do that a lot so I'm kind of used to.

http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Vi/Background

Check out those quotes on Caitlyn ult. If this is a sign of times to come, I'll be the happiest guy out there. More champion interaction would be amasing.

Also Rengar was not really weaker as such, he was just so annoyingly clunky to play I actually had to refund him since I didn't know fixes were coming. Then the QoL changes happened, I used to go 20+/<3/xxx every game, then people started playing unkillable tanky Rengar in SR and Riot rained on my parade. The cycle of life and death continues.

edit : Oh yeah I actually came to discuss something - you know that Talon guy? With the "amplifies damage done" on his E? It turns out even though the game displayed increased damage, it actually calculated the old, unamplified damage. Ever since he was released. And they're fixing him the coming patch.

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?p=32681558#32681558