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[frostshotgg]

It's called Phantom Dancer, bro. Melees scale of the % MS a lot better than ranged carries do.

[Euld]

Details on the stealth changes for Eve and Twitch.  Eve suddenly sounds like a lot more fun.

[frostshotgg]

You're about a week late, brah.

[penguinofhonor]

While we're talking crit..

For the upcoming Xin changes- Does Three Talon Strike's bonus AD work with critical strikes as well? It's a huge amount of scaling for bonus damage, and if I can pop off a 250x2 damage attack at level five or six...

It shouldn't. No other on-hit abilities do.

It's called Phantom Dancer, bro. Melees scale of the % MS a lot better than ranged carries do.

I guess, but it's a really expensive item for not providing any defensive stats. Most melees can't fit it into their build without sacrificing too much of something else they need.

[frostshotgg]

It shouldn't. No other on-hit abilities do.

Meanwhile, critplank is hiding in the corner after Riot thoroughly gutted GP's everything.

[penguinofhonor]

Parrrley is always the exception, I guess.

[RedKing]

Which blind? Teemo's, who's going to dominate you either way, or Heimer's, whom nobody plays like ever?

Au contraire, mon ami.

I love playing Heimerdinger (although the stun/blind grenade is one of the last things I lvl up). I can single handedly wall off a lane with a successful Heimer. Turrets up and wide, rockets to anybody that gets too close, and if somebody tries to break through, I ult the turrets and they turn into CC towers of pain. Once I get a Void Staff and an Abyssal Scepter, *nobody* wants to run that gauntlet.

[webadict]

Which blind? Teemo's, who's going to dominate you either way, or Heimer's, whom nobody plays like ever?

Au contraire, mon ami.

I love playing Heimerdinger (although the stun/blind grenade is one of the last things I lvl up). I can single handedly wall off a lane with a successful Heimer. Turrets up and wide, rockets to anybody that gets too close, and if somebody tries to break through, I ult the turrets and they turn into CC towers of pain. Once I get a Void Staff and an Abyssal Scepter, *nobody* wants to run that gauntlet.

A good Heimer can keep a whole team at bay. Good luck taking a turret from him.

[frostshotgg]

Well I've got good news! Heimer isn't going to have his blind for long if his current DW iteration goes through, so he's not a problem for Sion now!

[penguinofhonor]

Wait, Doran's Workshop leaks? Someone broke their nondisclosure agreement.

Any other details?

[frostshotgg]

http://www.surrenderat20.net/2012/07/tenative-heimerdinger-rework-leaked.html
Go wild.

[penguinofhonor]

That's absolutely fantastic and definitely much better. It could be a fake, but I don't know. It not only addresses his balance issues but also the specific issues with his design and it makes him more fun. Fakers are typically bad at that, and they typically appeal exclusively to the attitudes of "wow this champion will be op" and "oh cool, this rework solves all of the champion's weaknesses". Neither of those are good design.

I'm more interested in the parts of Doran's Workshop this reveals, though. "Competitive Playtest Priorities" shows more of a focus on high level play than I'd expect. I'm also interested in some of the other champion tweak threads.

[RedKing]

Hmm....mixed feelings. The "turrets take ammo, recharge by standing nearby" means I can't effectively drop a pair in one lane and then teleport into another to help out/double farm.

Turrets seem to be nerfed at first glance, but if I'm reading right they'll have a two-tier attack with physical and magic damage. Hybrid attacks are good. Three turrets is freakin' awesome.

Rockets look like a major buff. 10 rockets w/ only slightly reduced damage? Yes, please!

I never found the blind aspect of the grenade that useful to be honest. 40% slow could be much more lethal if you slow them in the killing field of your turrets (it's essentially replacing the slow component of an ulted turret).

yeah, overall I guess I'm cautiously positive about this (if true). Right now, it's all about the Q. W and E are just hood ornaments by comparions (although a leveled-up rocket makes for a nice bursty deterrent because you don't have to aim and it's extremely quick...great way to discourage pursuit). With this rework, you get a much wider variety of ability progressions that could be valid.

[Jopax]

That skillshot thing sounds wierd, do you target it for them, do they target it themselves?

I mean, how will it be handled by the turret AI, will it have godlike leading abilities or will it be simply firing in the general direction of the enemy?

Overall, he sounds interesting, a bit less passive and a bit more useful in stuff other than pushing.

Also, interesting screencap of the testing threads, Trundle rework, Xerath's W rework, Fiora, and other stuff.

[RedKing]

Yeah, that plus the new skillshot aspect to W is going to up the difficulty on Heimy.