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[Astral]

I was talking more about Morello's Evil Tome, insofar as the debuff goes; having 75 AP, a bit of mana regeneration and a 20% CDR in addition to the debuff makes it a good looking change, and brings it up to par for most of the endgame AP items.

Haunting Guise just looks tasty if you build specifically for it. I can imagine my Vlad build, if I swapped out my current AP for Magic Penetration runes (as well as getting Sorceror's Shoes), being particularly nasty. 20 MagPen from Shoes, 20 from HG, and 19 if you build full magic pen with runes, or just 14 if you decide blues are better off as MR.

Plus, mages who aren't able to get Lichbane for one reason or another will still have an option for movespeed, unlike tanks (who can easily write off Force of Nature) and carries (Phantom Dancer/Trinity Force).

[Cthulhu]

Except for guys like Dr. Swaindo the heal debuff isn't as important to me as the dot.  I'd never forgo ignite to take Morello.

[Bordellimies]

Except for guys like Dr. Swaindo the heal debuff isn't as important to me as the dot.  I'd never forgo ignite to take Morello.

I'm sorry, what?
410 damage at level 18, Mundo probably has +4000 HP so damage-wise it doesn't do jackshit because he heals it in 2 seconds. The heal reduction is much more potent than the damage itself against big healers.

[Realmfighter]

Except for guys like Dr. Swaindo the heal debuff isn't as important to me as the dot.  I'd never forgo ignite to take Morello.

I'm sorry, what?
410 damage at level 18, Mundo probably has +4000 HP so damage-wise it doesn't do jackshit because he heals it in 2 seconds. The heal reduction is much more potent than the damage itself against big healers.

He's saying that for everyone but those two he doesn't care about it. So for Annie, he doesn't care. Mundo he's flipping his shit because he cannot go where he pleases.

[Bordellimies]

Except for guys like Dr. Swaindo the heal debuff isn't as important to me as the dot.  I'd never forgo ignite to take Morello.

I'm sorry, what?
410 damage at level 18, Mundo probably has +4000 HP so damage-wise it doesn't do jackshit because he heals it in 2 seconds. The heal reduction is much more potent than the damage itself against big healers.

He's saying that for everyone but those two he doesn't care about it. So for Annie, he doesn't care. Mundo he's flipping his shit because he cannot go where he pleases.

Oh yeah, I read it as he doesn't care of the heal reduction for guys like Mundo or Swain. My bad.

Bad Reading x 1

[frostshotgg]

I dunno about Swain, but by the time you'd have bought MET or Executioner's, he's already past the point where grievous wounds stops being effective. He'll still be recovering 100 hp per second. I'm more interested in what sort of interactions this breeds for supports. A well timed MET could turn off the enemy healer. Janna and Lulu and other non-heal supports like Blitz are going to become a bit more powerful.

tl;dr Grievous Wounds isn't that effective vs. mega healers. MET's going to fight weaker healers like alistar.

[Cthulhu]

That's why you use three ignites.

[Jopax]

Played a game after a little over a month, took Trynda, facerolled solo top vs Nida and Mundo, they were pretty bad tho, none could land their skillshot properly, especially Nida who fired them all over the place for some reason :S

Next game I took Graves, sucked but we still won thanks to a super fed jungle Fiora

[frostshotgg]

3 Igniting mundo past level 11 is the worst possible thing you could ever do with 3 summoner spells. Maybe if they turned regen off, but like I said above, he'll be recovering 100 hp per second with ignite, so why waste it?

[Knirisk]

I dunno about Swain, but by the time you'd have bought MET or Executioner's, he's already past the point where grievous wounds stops being effective. He'll still be recovering 100 hp per second. I'm more interested in what sort of interactions this breeds for supports. A well timed MET could turn off the enemy healer. Janna and Lulu and other non-heal supports like Blitz are going to become a bit more powerful.

tl;dr Grievous Wounds isn't that effective vs. mega healers. MET's going to fight weaker healers like alistar.

I don't know about you, but I find Grievous Wounds to be actually horrifying as Mundo and Swain. It REALLY does cut down on their regeneration. Mundos can 1v2 for a ridiculously long time with a Warmog's or two. Swain with Rylai's/Deathcap can sustain for a long time in teamfights even without Zhonya's. Ignite effectively stops them from doing that. I'm pretty sure it works on lifesteal, too.

[penguinofhonor]

I'm really glad DFG is losing its mana regen. Now all it needs is like 50 more range on the active so you don't have to overextend to burst with it.

[Bordellimies]

I dunno about Swain, but by the time you'd have bought MET or Executioner's, he's already past the point where grievous wounds stops being effective. He'll still be recovering 100 hp per second. I'm more interested in what sort of interactions this breeds for supports. A well timed MET could turn off the enemy healer. Janna and Lulu and other non-heal supports like Blitz are going to become a bit more powerful.

tl;dr Grievous Wounds isn't that effective vs. mega healers. MET's going to fight weaker healers like alistar.

I don't know about you, but I find Grievous Wounds to be actually horrifying as Mundo and Swain. It REALLY does cut down on their regeneration. Mundos can 1v2 for a ridiculously long time with a Warmog's or two. Swain with Rylai's/Deathcap can sustain for a long time in teamfights even without Zhonya's. Ignite effectively stops them from doing that. I'm pretty sure it works on lifesteal, too.

Yup, after they changed stuff like Visage working on all healing isntead of just regen/spell heals, and GW halving lfiesteal and spellvamp too, Teemo/Exhaust wasn't the only thing that shut down an AD Sion anymore. And a fed AD Sion heals as much as Mundo does.

[Repulsion]

I wonder, is there a way to check your ban? I thought I got banned for leaving/getting d/c'd at a certain point, but I checked it and no luck.

[penguinofhonor]

You should be able to see when you're unbanned when you try to log in.

[Repulsion]

The thing is that I SHOULD be unbanned today, but I see nothing yet, so it would be nice to have a specific time.