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[Yodamaster]

Viktor coming out today.

[Sirian]

Viktor coming out today.

Also : http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=1645793&

Lol. Context: It was around page 11-12 that I edited it to the Mexican version.

You mean spanish, mexican is not a language. Amazing that some people answer that kind of trolling, but still, it's not very nice to be trolling in the first place ! Boo to you, sir !

[Jopax]

Oh dear, such an annoying week this will be

In other news pushy Taric that lanes with Nasus is pretty boss

[webadict]

Viktor coming out today.

Also : http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=1645793&

Lol. Context: It was around page 11-12 that I edited it to the Mexican version.

You mean spanish, mexican is not a language. Amazing that some people answer that kind of trolling, but still, it's not very nice to be trolling in the first place ! Boo to you, sir !

And during the holidays, no less!

[Yodamaster]

Viktor coming out today.

Also : http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=1645793&

Lol. Context: It was around page 11-12 that I edited it to the Mexican version.

You mean spanish, mexican is not a language. Amazing that some people answer that kind of trolling, but still, it's not very nice to be trolling in the first place ! Boo to you, sir !

Actually, I was parodying a current copy & paste trend that was going on last night. The "I purchased X K of RP" was all over the place. So I thought I'd throw in some different copy & paste, but then people took it seriously and 'tis was hilarious.

Also, Viktor being released later this week, with no downtime, and no balance changes.

[RedKing]

I read that thread and I could literally feel the braincells dying.

[umiman]

A bit bored and while I still can't play this game, I thought I'd write something up anyway while I still remember stuff about it. Let's talk about steroids.

Steroids are what determines the viability of a late game carry. What is a steroid? It's a skill that boosts the power of your basic autoattacks. Generally speaking, the more potent the steroids, the scarier the carry is. Scary meaning, super DPS output.

1. Why do we care about autoattacks?

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Think of every single thing that does damage in this game as a spell. In such terms, an autoattack is nothing more than a nuke with 1:1 AD scaling on a really short cooldown and attack speed is merely cooldown reduction. In the late game, on most carries, it's anywhere between 400 to 700 damage nukes up to 0.5 times a second. Doesn't sound impressive?

Imagine if Vlad's Q had a 0.5 second cooldown and scaled 1:1 with AP. Sounds absurd when you think about it that way doesn't it?

In other words, Tristana with IE and PD can output LeBonk's entire burst with a full item build every 2 seconds endlessly. Autoattacks are king in the MOBA genre and they'll be what obliterates people when shit hits the fan. So obviously you want your AD carry to have a superior autoattack.

2. What exactly can be considered a steroid?

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Anything that boosts your autoattacks really. Attack speed, attack damage boosts, attack range boosts, crit chance, crit damage, autoattack resets, etc. In a way, you can think of items as steroids that everyone can get, but that's getting a little out of hand.

3. Can you give an example of steroids defining damage output?

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Alright. Let's compare two ranged AD champions, Tristana and Caitlyn. Let's look at their steroids (ignore autoattack range for now):
- Caitlyn: Every few autoattacks, she does 150% damage
- Tristana: 90% attack speed boost for 20 seconds

So, if Caitlyn and Tristana did 300 damage per autoattack at level 18 with 1 attack per second (yes, this is completely false, but I don't want to use complicated numbers)... In 6 seconds, the following will happen:
- Caitlyn: 1950 damage
- Tristana: ~3420 damage (probably less than this because of attack speed scaling multiplicatively)

This is what I mean by steroids defining the viability of a champion in late game. Just one skill like that makes such a massive difference. So for 20 seconds, Trist will be equivalent to about two Caitlyns in the late game. This is why Caitlyn is considered a relatively bad late game carry whereas Trist is considered one of the best.

On the same note, this is why I referenced Zilean as a poor ranged AD replacement. Besides having no steroids at all, he also suffers from very low base AD scaling (so he's going to have around 250 AD when Trist has 300 AD) and at the same time, very low attack speed scaling (so he's going to have 0.8 AS when Trist has 1.0). It's not horrific, but he'll never compare to Tryndamere or the like.

4. How do steroids make such a big deal?

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Steroids, just like almost everything else in this game, snowball hard. A champion that has two or more steroids snowballs off each one she has. If you think of every steroid skill as a damage multiplier, it's all just a matter of multiplication stacking with each other creating a ridiculous figure. Let's look at Vayne, the epitomes of super late game carry. She has:
Q: autoattack reset (100% damage amplifier) + 60% damage amplifier for a total of 160% damage boost
W: 60 + 8% target's max health damage amplification
R: 55 AD boost

So, let's add it all up using the above 300 AD, 1.0 AS over 6 seconds thing. This one is going to be complicated, so I'll write out what happens followed by the numbers. We'll ignore her E for now as it doesn't really count as a steroid. Every bracket is 1 second.

(Autoattack + Q) + (autoattack) + (autoattack + Q) + (autoattack) + (autoattack + Q) + (autoattack) = Damage + 9 true damage procs
1079 + 415 + 1079 + 415 + 1079 + 415 = 4482 damage + 9 true damage procs

That incredible damage is all because she has 3 steroids. These three cause her late game damage to go leagues beyond that of Trist and Caitlyn. This is why Vayne is horrific to fight in late game. Other champions like these are people like Master Yi, Miss Fortune, Nocturne, and Twitch among others.

5. So, what does all this mean practically?

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Simple. If you ever want to know how viable your champion, your team, or the enemy are in the late game, what you can do is count steroids for a good impression of DPS output lategame. It's not perfect, but it's one of the best measures you've got. In other words, this is a very good way of knowing when is a good time to surrender and when to keep fighting.

E.g:
Team A is Taric, Vayne, Udyr, Kennen, Rammus.
Team B is Alistar, Blitzcrank, Warwick, Graves, Galio.

For the average player, the result seems very much up in the air. Both are good teamcomps and have solid lineups with great CC, great damage output, and strong presence. But here's what I see:
Team A: 8 steroids (3+1 affecting Vayne) (2+1 affecting Udyr)
Team B: 4 steroids (1+1 affecting Graves) (1 affecting Warwick)

Team A has a way stronger lategame team and will probably do at least 2x more damage than Team B given equal skill. So even if Team A was doing poorly at the start, if they managed to hold out until they got farmed, they would probably win no problem. Whereas if Team B started out poorly, they probably don't stand a chance. So with these teamcomps, the onus is on Team B to get dominance early on and end the game fast whereas all Team A has to do is farm and then win.

I hope all that info helps you guys figure out your power levels in game and in thinking of team comps.

[ansontan2000]

My brain cells just melted.

[webadict]

Quadra lane smite. 4 dragons and 2 barons. Game end at 28 minutes. We win.

[drailgre]

I hear a lot about this game in school, and on facebook, any pointers for a newb?

[webadict]

I hear a lot about this game in school, and on facebook, any pointers for a newb?

Don't join. You'll get addicted and have lots of needless rage.

[drailgre]

I hear a lot about this game in school, and on facebook, any pointers for a newb?

Don't join. You'll get addicted and have lots of needless rage.

Ok, i have needless rage anyways

[Yodamaster]

Quadra lane smite. 4 dragons and 2 barons. Game end at 28 minutes. We win.

I don't regret dodging that game. I won ranked .

I hear a lot about this game in school, and on facebook, any pointers for a newb?

Have fun messing around, find a champion that you like. When you sign up you only get access to 7 of the 80 something champions that rotate on a weekly basis, and you can unlock all the rest for free just by playing. Play whatever looks cool to you. Once you feel like you want to get better, look up some guides or something. Take your time though. The only way to really improve though is to face humans, not just bots, but if you don't have interest in facing humans then do whatever floats your boat.

If you have any specific questions feel free to ask. There aren't any real generic pointers to give you that aren't in-depth, just play the tutorials and they'll show you the basics.

[eerr]

If I remember correctly,

baron can be taken at 15 with nasus madreds top, and tryn madreds.
It requires nasus ult.

at 16, nasus with wriggles and ult can solo baron with some armour.


Sadly, the gold got nerfed, but you could easily run games on that.

[Knirisk]

If I remember correctly,

baron can be taken at 15 with nasus madreds top, and tryn madreds.
It requires nasus ult.

at 16, nasus with wriggles and ult can solo baron with some armour.

I don't think Nasus can do that very effectively anymore. Part of that was because Spirit Fire caused DoT and an armor shred. Baron Nashor and Dragon recently got buffed so that their armor and magic resist can't be shredded anymore.