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[cerapa]

I totally forgot to try zilean on dominion...

But yeah, max cdr zilean can spam his revive so hard that you dont have enough deaths to use it all the time. I assume that might be different on dominion.

[Bordellimies]

Spoiler: My second game as Nidalee (click to show/hide)

So I played Dominion with the build someone suggested (my friend TehWP suggested adding a Triforce in later) and it went well. This is my second time ever as Nidalee, and my friend pressured me to buying her with RP as well as her skin. It seems that it might not be such a bad thing after all.

[webadict]

I totally forgot to try zilean on dominion...

But yeah, max cdr zilean can spam his revive so hard that you dont have enough deaths to use it all the time. I assume that might be different on dominion.

His Revive is actually kinda pointless in Dominion, as anyone dying is usually on the entire side of the map from you for no reason at all. You're better off just spamming his speed buff and bombs and soloing points. You can easily take on melee champs with your QEWQ combo, and you can hold points against anyone else for a bit. The delayed bomb thing is REEEEEALLY annoying to capture with. Plus, that revive? It's only like 40 second cooldown with max CDR + Ws. So, you'll more than likely just use it on yourself, which won't matter anyway, because you're likely dying from being teamed up on. Basically, your goal is to be like Singed: Annoying, super fast, and never dying. You'll capture points ridiculously fast, and you can occasionally save a teammate too.

[Yodamaster]

Zil is an even more ridiculous AP carry on SR, when he takes mid. His bombs have a .9 ratio and with maxed rewind and blue have about a 3 sec cd after the intial double bomb. He also has sooo much utility.

[Bordellimies]

Zil is an even more ridiculous AP carry on SR, when he takes mid. His bombs have a .9 ratio and with maxed rewind and blue have about a 3 sec cd after the intial double bomb. He also has sooo much utility.

Zilean is a bad AP carry. Better build him as a tanky support, IMO.

[Yodamaster]

Zil is an even more ridiculous AP carry on SR, when he takes mid. His bombs have a .9 ratio and with maxed rewind and blue have about a 3 sec cd after the intial double bomb. He also has sooo much utility.

Zilean is a bad AP carry. Better build him as a tanky support, IMO.

Challenge accepted. Fight me, bro.

[Cthulhu]

I've only played with support Zilean once (I was Vayne).  I didn't like him.  The speed and the ult are the only really supporty thing he does from what I've seen, the bombs just push the lane and make it harder to cs.

[eerr]

Support zilean, farm little, save tryndamere (again, as planned).

at the end of the game I was the only one with not as much farm, but it didn't matter because tryn had a complete build and carried hard.

Also our nexus was exposed so I ended up buying a fuckton of pink wards to keep twitch away.

It worked out.


Support zilean works if his ult is actually crucial to keeping a strong carry alive.

His nukes are good, but the base damage is a bit low to be a pure ap nuke.
Plus he needs a massive manabase, large amounts of ap, and max cdr. That is a lategame item build for a full nuke.

[webadict]

I've only played with support Zilean once (I was Vayne).  I didn't like him.  The speed and the ult are the only really supporty thing he does from what I've seen, the bombs just push the lane and make it harder to cs.

Yeah, understandable. I think he works better with a melee champ to support and an escape. Tryndamere is a good example, especially since he's got an escape and his ult saves him from dying. Then he gets a revive after doing ridiculous amounts of damage and escapes.

Vayne might be a little less able to escape, since she's more able to engage and hunt down than escape.

[Cthulhu]

Yeah, the Morg/Vayne combo was way scarier.

[Ahra]

*watches prewiew* since when does mr. shaco the instagib throw + damn box not have enough burst?

[Cthulhu]

Only AP Shaco can do that, and it sounds like they're going to be nerfing AP Shaco.  AD Shaco's knives and boxes aren't as scary.

Nerfing AP Shaco is fine by me.  All AP Shacos are terrible.  If there's one on your team he'll feed, if there's one on the other team your team will feed him.

[Yodamaster]

Zil is an ok support. But he's an amazing AP carry.

[Lumbajak]

Zil is an ok support. But he's an amazing AP carry.

Over the last year I'd have to say he's a terrible support.

But an amazing AP carry



So far as I'm concerned the only supports are Janna, Taric and Alistar.

[Smitehappy]

So I just got destroyed playing Alistar vs Brand mid. Seems like every time I got near I'd lose half my health before I even got near and even then I do piddly squat to his health. I know that an AP build Alistar don't have the staying power of support Alistars but I figured I'd at least be able to handle some of Brands nukes before being hamburger(See what I did there?). Was it error on my part or just bad lane pairing?