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[Micro102]

I'm pretty sure armor pen runes are way better then AD runes.

[Cthulhu]

SO people are always talking about pure AD runepages.  I can never tell if you guys are trolling.  I've already got 9 AD yellows, would AD blues and reds really be good for a carry?

[Akigagak]

I'm pretty sure armor pen runes are way better then AD runes.

Late game, yes. But Garen's Q with that much AD at level 1? Does well above 170 damage. Someone walks into your bushes at level 1, eats a Q and a couple of auto attacks, has their laning ruined, and either goes back (losing XP and Farm) or sticks around giving you the chance to finish up the kill.

Udyr's Tiger? Nearly 300 total damage from the punch and DoT.

SO people are always talking about pure AD runepages.  I can never tell if you guys are trolling.  I've already got 9 AD yellows, would AD blues and reds really be good for a carry?

The answer is we are partially trolling. It lets people who excell at early game beatings (Garen, Renek, Udyr, etc) really fuck up a person's life.

And no, not really. Though AD Yellows+Blues +Armour Pen Reds could work. Unless you're Ashe, in which case lolol your first shot did 200 damage, and Volley did almost as much.

[umiman]

I'll just quote this guy: http://leaguecraft.com/strategies/guide/11826-a-very-detailed-ezreal-guide.xhtml

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I've received A LOT of questions regarding this matter, and A LOT of players are not convinced at all that damage runes could be even slightly viable on any champion, i think what most players are forgetting is that first of all armor penetration runes were nerfed and that they really have no idea how much the extra armor penetration will help you mid/late game. So therefor let me give you an example of how "good" the armor penetration runes are mid/late game.

Because of the fact that the more damage you get the more damage you will deal with your armor penetration runes, and this is what confuses a lot of players. So for this example let's say it is mid game and i'm level 13 i'm using full armor penetration from runes and masteries that would give me 31 armor penetration. For this example i have 250 atk damage.

Now let's say i am attacking an enemy with 100 armor.

Target armor: 100 - 31 arm pen = 69

Damage reduction = 69 / 169 = 40.8%

My actual damage to the target = 59.2% of my total atk damage.

250 x 0.592 = 148 damage



Now using my setup i would have 16 armor penetration from runes and masteries and because i have 10 atk damage from runes i would then have 260 total attack damage with the same items at that point and time in the game.

Target armor: 100 - 16 arm pen = 84

Damage reduction = 84 / 184 = 45.6

My actual damage to the target = 54.4% of my total atk damage.

260 x 0.544 = 142 damage



Now it is up to you to decide, would you rather pick 10 more attack damage by the time your enemy has about 500hp or would you rather pick 6 more damage by the time your enemy has about 2k hp? I think the answer is very simple.

There you have it folks, now please don't ever ask me again why i pick damage runes instead of armor penetration

[Astral]

I'll just quote this guy: http://leaguecraft.com/strategies/guide/11826-a-very-detailed-ezreal-guide.xhtml

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

I've received A LOT of questions regarding this matter, and A LOT of players are not convinced at all that damage runes could be even slightly viable on any champion, i think what most players are forgetting is that first of all armor penetration runes were nerfed and that they really have no idea how much the extra armor penetration will help you mid/late game. So therefor let me give you an example of how "good" the armor penetration runes are mid/late game.

Because of the fact that the more damage you get the more damage you will deal with your armor penetration runes, and this is what confuses a lot of players. So for this example let's say it is mid game and i'm level 13 i'm using full armor penetration from runes and masteries that would give me 31 armor penetration. For this example i have 250 atk damage.

Now let's say i am attacking an enemy with 100 armor.

Target armor: 100 - 31 arm pen = 69

Damage reduction = 69 / 169 = 40.8%

My actual damage to the target = 59.2% of my total atk damage.

250 x 0.592 = 148 damage



Now using my setup i would have 16 armor penetration from runes and masteries and because i have 10 atk damage from runes i would then have 260 total attack damage with the same items at that point and time in the game.

Target armor: 100 - 16 arm pen = 84

Damage reduction = 84 / 184 = 45.6

My actual damage to the target = 54.4% of my total atk damage.

260 x 0.544 = 142 damage



Now it is up to you to decide, would you rather pick 10 more attack damage by the time your enemy has about 500hp or would you rather pick 6 more damage by the time your enemy has about 2k hp? I think the answer is very simple.

There you have it folks, now please don't ever ask me again why i pick damage runes instead of armor penetration

Added to the fact that, with Armor penetration runes (even just reds) at early levels you're likely negating the entirety of an enemy's armor rating. So instead of doing 80% damage against that Annie who's harassing the hell out of you, you're doing 100%. Even better, if your armor penetration goes over the amount of armor the enemy has, this translates into extra damage. AD is okay, and only for gimmick builds, but armor penetration is where it's at in the current metagame for a reason.

[Cthulhu]

Has anybody else noticed Noc doesn't work at all lately?

It started after that Dominion interface patch.  Before that patch I carried every game.  After that patch suddenly none of my skills would ever work, ranges were weird, sometimes my guy would just lose his target and stop moving, all kinds of bullshit.  Suddenly I can't gank anyone, can't get fed, end up being a subpar late game carry.

[Akigagak]

I'll just quote this guy: http://leaguecraft.com/strategies/guide/11826-a-very-detailed-ezreal-guide.xhtml

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

I've received A LOT of questions regarding this matter, and A LOT of players are not convinced at all that damage runes could be even slightly viable on any champion, i think what most players are forgetting is that first of all armor penetration runes were nerfed and that they really have no idea how much the extra armor penetration will help you mid/late game. So therefor let me give you an example of how "good" the armor penetration runes are mid/late game.

Because of the fact that the more damage you get the more damage you will deal with your armor penetration runes, and this is what confuses a lot of players. So for this example let's say it is mid game and i'm level 13 i'm using full armor penetration from runes and masteries that would give me 31 armor penetration. For this example i have 250 atk damage.

Now let's say i am attacking an enemy with 100 armor.

Target armor: 100 - 31 arm pen = 69

Damage reduction = 69 / 169 = 40.8%

My actual damage to the target = 59.2% of my total atk damage.

250 x 0.592 = 148 damage



Now using my setup i would have 16 armor penetration from runes and masteries and because i have 10 atk damage from runes i would then have 260 total attack damage with the same items at that point and time in the game.

Target armor: 100 - 16 arm pen = 84

Damage reduction = 84 / 184 = 45.6

My actual damage to the target = 54.4% of my total atk damage.

260 x 0.544 = 142 damage



Now it is up to you to decide, would you rather pick 10 more attack damage by the time your enemy has about 500hp or would you rather pick 6 more damage by the time your enemy has about 2k hp? I think the answer is very simple.

There you have it folks, now please don't ever ask me again why i pick damage runes instead of armor penetration

Added to the fact that, with Armor penetration runes (even just reds) at early levels you're likely negating the entirety of an enemy's armor rating. So instead of doing 80% damage against that Annie who's harassing the hell out of you, you're doing 100%. Even better, if your armor penetration goes over the amount of armor the enemy has, this translates into extra damage. AD is okay, and only for gimmick builds, but armor penetration is where it's at in the current metagame for a reason.

I don't think so. That IIRC only applies to effects which lower their defenses, rather than just penetrate. So Stark's will let you do better-than-true, but having 50 arpen to their 30 armour won't do anything.

[umiman]

I'll just quote this guy: http://leaguecraft.com/strategies/guide/11826-a-very-detailed-ezreal-guide.xhtml

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

I've received A LOT of questions regarding this matter, and A LOT of players are not convinced at all that damage runes could be even slightly viable on any champion, i think what most players are forgetting is that first of all armor penetration runes were nerfed and that they really have no idea how much the extra armor penetration will help you mid/late game. So therefor let me give you an example of how "good" the armor penetration runes are mid/late game.

Because of the fact that the more damage you get the more damage you will deal with your armor penetration runes, and this is what confuses a lot of players. So for this example let's say it is mid game and i'm level 13 i'm using full armor penetration from runes and masteries that would give me 31 armor penetration. For this example i have 250 atk damage.

Now let's say i am attacking an enemy with 100 armor.

Target armor: 100 - 31 arm pen = 69

Damage reduction = 69 / 169 = 40.8%

My actual damage to the target = 59.2% of my total atk damage.

250 x 0.592 = 148 damage



Now using my setup i would have 16 armor penetration from runes and masteries and because i have 10 atk damage from runes i would then have 260 total attack damage with the same items at that point and time in the game.

Target armor: 100 - 16 arm pen = 84

Damage reduction = 84 / 184 = 45.6

My actual damage to the target = 54.4% of my total atk damage.

260 x 0.544 = 142 damage



Now it is up to you to decide, would you rather pick 10 more attack damage by the time your enemy has about 500hp or would you rather pick 6 more damage by the time your enemy has about 2k hp? I think the answer is very simple.

There you have it folks, now please don't ever ask me again why i pick damage runes instead of armor penetration

Added to the fact that, with Armor penetration runes (even just reds) at early levels you're likely negating the entirety of an enemy's armor rating. So instead of doing 80% damage against that Annie who's harassing the hell out of you, you're doing 100%. Even better, if your armor penetration goes over the amount of armor the enemy has, this translates into extra damage. AD is okay, and only for gimmick builds, but armor penetration is where it's at in the current metagame for a reason.

By current metagame you mean... the metagame where every single high ELO player that plays ranged AD uses flat AD? Because that's what's happening right now.

Just look at all the recent tournament games. Kog Maw starting with 70 AD. Vayne with 80 AD. Everyone has flat AD. Look at all the recent ranged AD guides and you'll see each and every single one recommends having flat AD.

[Micro102]

Dam whoever said that armor pen runs are better (although they may have been when he said they were.)

AD runes are better in pretty much every way. Early and late game.

[Dakk]

Dam whoever said that armor pen runs are better (although they may have been when he said they were.)

AD runes are better in pretty much every way. Early and late game.

Really strong early game, falls off lategame. Defense penetration scales way better into the late game then damage, if you have a nice bit of natural armor pen you can stack more damage and crits and worry less about it. Think of armor pen as a percentage multiplier on your damage vs enemy armor. 20% armor pen >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 20 extra damage anytime but early game.

Also, careful considering flat AD on vayne and kog maw, since they have other means of doing extra damage, and don't really need armor pen as much. Vayne does partial true damage, kog maw has a built in bloodrazor.

AD runes only really work well on champions with nice AD ratios on their abilities, such as garen during early game, talon, etc. You can also combine them with AP ones to activate akali's passive at level 1.

[Micro102]

Dam whoever said that armor pen runs are better (although they may have been when he said they were.)

AD runes are better in pretty much every way. Early and late game.

Really strong early game, falls off lategame. Defense penetration scales way better into the late game then damage, if you have a nice bit of natural armor pen you can stack more damage and crits and worry less about it. Think of armor pen as a percentage multiplier on your damage vs enemy armor. 20% armor pen >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 20 extra damage anytime but early game.

Also, careful considering flat AD on vayne and kog maw, since they have other means of doing extra damage, and don't really need armor pen as much. Vayne does partial true damage, kog maw has a built in bloodrazor.

AD runes only really work well on champions with nice AD ratios on their abilities, such as garen during early game, talon, etc. You can also combine them with AP ones to activate akali's passive at level 1.

No it doesn't, armor pen gets worse late game.

You get 15 armor pen from runes, a champion starts out with ~ 15 armor. Your doing a good extra 13% damage.

Later, if they have 100 armor, your doing an extra 4% damage.

[Errol]

Personally my AD runepage looks like this:



Scaling AD is ridiculous in endgame.

[Sirian]

Scaling AD is ridiculous in endgame.

Agreed, if i remember correctly, AD/lvl is better than flat AD as soon as you hit lvl 7, which is early enough for me. You may not dominate the very early game, but you'll snowball more easily. If you don't use arpen at all, you can maximize the effects of stark's and black cleaver (on squishy targets, arpen is not used if the armor is already reduced to 0 or below).

[umiman]

I think it's level 5 that it switches over.

[Smitehappy]

Jeesh, just got done playing a game with Soraka. Using new Starcall to farm creeps is like using a combine to harvest a small family plot.