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[RedKing]

I should actually play with people on my friends list at some point. Especially since it's gotten fairly big. Some from B12, but mostly just people sending me a request after a match.

Tried out Malzahar for a few matches since he was freebie. Not really my guy, I think. I did okay with him but I don't care for his playstyle. Never been a big DoT fan.

Gonna keep saving IP for now, I'll use to upgrade all my runes at lvl 21 and probably buy a celebratory champ to boot.

[Bordellimies]

I did calculations for different Veigar builds to see which one deals the most burst damage (each ability is used only once)

• The enemy has either 2000 or 3000 health (for Deathfire Grasp damage calculations)
• The enemy has no magic resistance
• All abilities hit the target
• Base attack damage is not calculated
• Veigar has farmed 100 AP with Baleful Strike
• Archangel Staff bonus mana is at 1000 mana
• Masteries and runes are not calculated
• The enemy has no ability power

Spoiler: Item Stats (click to show/hide)

Rabadon - 140 AP + 30% extra
Archangel - 400 mana (+1000 unique) 45 AP + 3% of mana
Lichbane - 350 mana + 80 AP [Nuke: 100% of AP as extra]
DFG - 60 AP [Nuke: 30% of target's current hp (+3.5% per 100 AP)]

Spoiler: Ability scaling and Veigar's base mana (click to show/hide)

Veigar


Baleful Strike, Q - 260 (+0.6 AP)
Dark Matter, W - 320 (+1.0 AP)
Primordial Burst, R - 500 (+1.2 AP) (+0.8 Enemy's AP)

Base Mana 250 + 55/lvl (1240 at lvl 18)

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Spoiler: Boots, Rabadon + 2 Archangel Staves (click to show/hide)

Mana: 1240 + 400 + 400 + 1000 = 3040
Flat AP: 140 + 45 + 45 + 100 = 330
AP after Archangel staves: 330 + 3040 x 6% = 330 + 182 = 512
AP after Rabadon passive: 512 x 30% = 666


Baleful Strike: 260 + 666 x 60% = 260 + 400 = 660 damage
Dark Matter: 320 + 666 = 986 damage
Primordial Burst: 500 + 666 x 120% = 500 + 799 = 1299 damage
Total: 2945 Damage

Total: 2945 Damage

Spoiler: Boots, Rabadon, Archangel Staff + Lichbane (click to show/hide)

Mana: 1240 + 400 + 1000 + 350 = 2990
Flat AP: 140 + 45 + 80 + 100 = 365
AP after Archangel staff: 365 + 2990 x 3% = 365 + 90 = 455
AP after Rabadon passive: 455 x 30% = 592


Baleful Strike: 260 + 592 x 60% = 260 + 355 = 615 damage
Dark Matter: 320 + 592 = 912 damage
Primordial Burst: 500 + 592 x 120% = 500 + 710 = 1210 damage
Lichbane: 592 damage
Total: 3329 Damage

Total: 3329 Damage

Spoiler: Boots, Rabadon, Archangel Staff + Deathfire Grasp (click to show/hide)

Mana: 1240 + 400 + 1000 = 2640
Flat AP: 140 + 45 + 60 + 100 = 345
AP after Archangel staff: 345 + 2640 x 3% = 345 + 79 = 424
AP after Rabadon passive: 424 x 30% = 551


Baleful Strike: 260 + 551 x 60% = 260 + 331 = 591 damage
Dark Matter: 320 + 551 = 871 damage
Primordial Burst: 500 + 551 x 120% = 500 + 661 = 1161 damage
DFG Damage against 2000 hp target: 600 + 3.5% x 5 = 600 + 350 = 950 damage
DFG Damage against 3000 hp target: 900 + 3.5% x 5 = 900 + 525 = 1425 damage
Total: 3573 or 4048 damage

Total: 3573 or 4048 damage

Spoiler: Boots, Rabadon, Lichbane + Deathfire Grasp (click to show/hide)

Flat AP: 140 + 80 + 60 + 100 = 380
AP after Rabadon passive: 380 x 30% = 494


Baleful Strike: 260 + 494 x 60% = 260 + 296 = 556 damage
Dark Matter: 320 + 494 = 814 damage
Primordial Burst: 500 + 494 x 120% = 500 + 593 = 1093 damage
Lichbane: 494 damage
DFG Damage against 2000 hp target: 600 + 3.5% x 4 = 600 + 280 = 880 damage
DFG Damage against 3000 hp target: 900 + 3.5% x 4 = 900 + 420 = 1320 damage
Total: 3837 or 4277 damage

Total: 3837 or 4277 damage


TL;DR: If you're looking for max damage, best build for Veigar is Rabadon, Deathfire Grasp and Lichbane.

[penguinofhonor]

Lich Bane does give a ton of damage for its price, but most mages have trouble harnessing it. Veigar is among them. His low autoattack speed makes it noticeably slower than his spells. His autoattack range is also 125 units shorter than his spells, so you have to get closer, putting yourself in danger.

[Lumbajak]

The only LoL I've done recently is playing with a bunch of low level friends and instalocking and then doing stupid stuff like Garen/Soraka/Olaf mid.

I kinda suck in real matches now.

[webadict]

Lich Bane does give a ton of damage for its price, but most mages have trouble harnessing it. Veigar is among them. His low autoattack speed makes it noticeably slower than his spells. His autoattack range is also 125 units shorter than his spells, so you have to get closer, putting yourself in danger.

That's what the stun is for. If you've got someone in the stun, you've got the time to proc that Lich Bane once. You just gotta be really quick about all of it.

[umiman]

Veigar tends to get in close anyway. All his spells other than the stun have low range.

[webadict]

Veigar tends to get in close anyway. All his spells other than the stun have low range.

And usually, if he's that close, then two things happen:

A) You're dead
B) He's dead

[Bluerobin]

Yup, lich bane just makes it more likely to be A than B. Well, more likely to be A BEFORE B, because B's probably happening anyway.

[penguinofhonor]

Played a bot game as Fiora. She doesn't seem too bad in the jungle. She's decently fast but not Yi/Shyv/Mundo/Udyr fast. I'd put her around Tryndamere's speed. Worse ganks without a slow, though.

She's probably a better solo top.

[Wiles]

I tried jungle Fiora as well. I wasn't a big fan, mainly because her ganks are pretty weak unless you're ganking a lane with cc. It'd probably be worth running smite exhaust to jungle with her.

I tried running a master yi style glass cannon ad carry build but I found I got blown up too fast late game. Metagolem seems to be the way to go.

By the way, thanks for the Vayne advice Cthulu.

[ThtblovesDF]

Playing draftmode, enemy brand mid... I counterpick gragas, start with a health ruby and just punch him in the face till he falls, that was quite amusing...
Btw, gragas/kassadin/lebonk... they seem like good mages for the deathfire, aye?

[Knirisk]

Playing draftmode, enemy brand mid... I counterpick gragas, start with a health ruby and just punch him in the face till he falls, that was quite amusing...
Btw, gragas/kassadin/lebonk... they seem like good mages for the deathfire, aye?

Gragas probably less than the others. The DFG is too close to the enemy, although Gragas does enjoy the CDR, regen, and the extra burst.

[Sonlirain]

My last coop vs AI game in a nutshell:

I picked tryndamere because i didn't play him for a long time.
Laned bot with Leona against Ezreal + Sona.

Every freaking time i left the bush i got nuked to hell in about 3 seconds.
Leona finally after getting killed 3 times (more or less same as me) quit (strangely without the rage component).
Since i was dying so much i was lvl 3 while everyone around was lvl 8+
So i built a Avarice and Heart of gold.
Me getting owned hard by everyone.
And later i managed to build zerker boots and IE.
And much much later i was positive in KDR with 8 kills 7 deaths and even more assists.

We won at around 29 mins.

Tryndamere is pretty much impossible to shutdown late game...


Also back to my previous question.

I'm close to 3150 IP and wonder whitch chanp i should buy.
I was thinking about morde but i don't have runes for him (ARP Armor and CDR Marks Seals and Glyphs respectively).
Any suggestions?

[Stealtharcadia]

Man, ranked games are fun, but frustrating. At my current ELO, I have to play support to win it seems. On the bright side I found an appropriate theme song for these games.

Karma Police by Radiohead usually sums up my thoughts

[baruk]

Tried out Malzahar for a few matches since he was freebie. Not really my guy, I think. I did okay with him but I don't care for his playstyle. Never been a big DoT fan.

 I found he clicked for me after the third game or so - I finally got the area damage + ultimate combination working - very nasty. And there's nothing quite as satisfying as landing the DoT on a wounded enemy, and watching as your voidling chases them down and finishes them off.