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[Jopax]

Think it's only basic attacks, so not an on-hit thing I think, but one tied to the attack itself.

[Flying Dice]

That's what I figured.

On another topic: mechanically simple changes to champion kits/items that would radically change how they build/play/are used, which would you be interested in seeing, at least for a cycle or two?

Top on mine would be Vayne's Silver Bolts stacking independently on different targets like Gnar's marks. Better yet if it coincided with an overhaul of Frozen Mallet that made it a viable utility pickup for ADCs, maybe by switching it over to a Phage-oriented build path and dropping some of the health in exchange for Rage. Pure AS/on-hit Runaan's Vayne as a viable mix of lategame melting and kite/chase potential instead of useless trash.

[Flying Dice]

Given that the rest of the post was about a specific build path which is decidedly less than optimal right now, one would think not.

Of course, if you're vaynespotting in low ELO she'll be trash at every stage of the game. 

[Flying Dice]

Yes, but higher ELO at least implies a modicum of mechanical ability, and even a braindead moron Vayne can still clean up late if they've farmed well, they understand how she works, and their team accounts for their bad decisions.

o.0

The only ADCs that build Phage are the ones who like TF. Maybe someone with an off-meta BC build, but that ain't exactly common. And Furor and Rage aren't mutually exclusive.

[frostshotgg]

Vayne having to focus a single target for silver bolts was a pretty clear choice on riot's part. % HP true damage is degenerate enough without it being basically free to apply.

[Cthulufaic]

Hey, at least devourer vayne would be legit then.  It'd be fucking terrifying but still, pretty nifty.

[Flying Dice]

Vayne having to focus a single target for silver bolts was a pretty clear choice on riot's part. % HP true damage is degenerate enough without it being basically free to apply.

Yeah, that's the point. I was curious regarding what all of you would be interested in seeing broken through relatively simple changes, just to see how it would play out.

[Jopax]

Oh that's easy. Sivir's W procs on-hit with each bounce
Ashe's Q procs on-hit, not on-attack, so you get three? (or four?) procs of whatever you want with a single attack.

[squidgen]

Ugh, I remember when jungle vayne was popular. Spent 30 mins farming the jungle, came out a complete monster. And with the new new guinsoos having the old sated effect, lane vayne gets it too.

[Flying Dice]

URF is live, lads.

[frostshotgg]

I don't think jungle vayne was ever popular. I have no idea what special brand of elo hell you guys were in, but at best it was a fun gag build in normals when you're playing with buddies who don't give a fuck. It certainly wasn't anywhere close to worthy of an "ugh"

[squidgen]

And I was talking about sated vayne, before it was nerfed for ranged champions. Sure, I'm probably overreacting especially because they usually never made it to late game, but silver bolts procs every two autos was pretty frustrating.

[frostshotgg]

So URF is back. Get the AD malz pushfest while its hot.

[Flying Dice]

Still the problem with voidling movement speed, though. You're only going to get kills if you ambush.

[IronyOwl]

Finally got back into this, so of course I hit a weird toxicity patch. You know, the ones where people are low-key angry at each other for no reason, multiple games in a row.

Top: You got the kill, please don't take my farm
Jungle: I'm pushing, understand
Top: Too toxic, AFK
Jungle: Please do
-more weird bullshit-

And that wasn't even one of the games where we're getting rolled so everybody starts bitching at each other about MIAs. It got so bad in one game I ended up honoring someone just for not talking (they were, of course, the support).