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[Flying Dice]

If he's not retarded? Push by spreading damage. That's the easy way to push as Teemo, get your poison on all the minions. Granted, he'll miss a couple CS if he's not careful, but that's an easy way to shove it in. So Jihn pushes a wave or two and backs while Teemo is still AAing? By the time he walks out of base that wave is going to be walking up to his turret.

But I guess if you play against bronzie Teemo players who only AA a single minion when they're trying to push... :|

[Jopax]

AS could work great in the jungle for all I know, but from the few times I've seen him he just didn't seem to be doing that much damage early on and his clears weren't the quickest. Granted he's fairly new so people are shit with him but that was my impression of him, he could work, but there's several other folks who have better clear times and offer almost equal value as far as damage output and utility go.

[Flying Dice]

Yeah, note that I'm not saying he couldn't work well in mid, it's just that I wouldn't trust many people to do that well--it'd be like playing TF, except with even more need to shove and roam, since your engage is up every 60-40s. He also seems like his early game dueling isn't very strong, hence jungle: as long as you get a decent leash you get an easy level 2, and you're relatively free to farm up the items you need to be strong.

That, and pretty much his entire kit is built around initiating fights, and he seems like he's not very good (kitwise) at reactive play if the player doesn't see it coming in time to start kiting back. I can't say that I see AS doing well against a Zed/LB/Talon/Yasuo lane unless the stuns are incredibly on-point and predictive.

[Flying Dice]

Initiator in the sense that he wants to go in on people rather than have people try to go in on him. Not quite as blatantly as Liss, but the way the stun keeps rolling as long as it's in your range and the long-range wall-crossing engagement tool do lend a bit of credibility to that reading.

I can definitely see a RoA + Rylai's + Zhonya's + Abyssal + Liandry's (if healthstackers on the other side) sort of build for him, play him as what he is, a highly mobile short-ranged mage with a lot of damage over time and catching tools. Hell, might even see some play as an AP off-tank sort of like Maokai.

I mean, the long and short of it is that he doesn't have enough immediate damage to be an assassin, nor enough in the way of poke to be a traditional mage, but he's really damned mobile and has a lot of CC, so the whole "tanky AP engage" fits. Once I've got the IP I'll buy him and report back.

[Flying Dice]

I've seen people building goddamn everything on him. Thank Mobafire for that, I'm sure.

If you're going to build Voidstaff I'd dump Sorcs for Swifties, but not otherwise. If you're relying on flat pen you pretty much need them.

[Flying Dice]

Yeah, that's what I was saying. If you build those, build Sorcs. If for whatever reason you build Voidstaff, don't build Sorcs.

[frostshotgg]

You should always be going Swiftness on him, so it doesn't matter what else you build. Being able to position to get the orbs where they need to go is much more important than a bit of damage. You should also always build void staff because it's just a great item.

[Cthulufaic]

NA servers are kill.  I think.  Rip my first game as Darius.  It was going really good* too.



* I fed their Yasuo because I'm shit and awful.  Fuck.

[xaritscin]

got my free hextech chest. dragonslayer ward and warring kingdoms tryndamere. crafted the skin and made the ward into dust.

played some normals. common Jhin in bot, failed. jungle Kassadin, failed (enemies had Zed and WW and the match got well into lategame so no way to survive sus burst and sustain. the rest of their team was easy to kill, but still annoying, Lux, Teemo, MF).

firsts Wins of the night were AD Malz mid and ADC Sion with Equinox. the unseen damage is the deadliest i guess..

[Flying Dice]

Apparently people have been having bad experiences with the chests? I've gotten two legacy skins I didn't have and one skin I didn't want so far.

[Jopax]

I've gotten a bunch of chests but keys are annoying to grind. Out of the stuff in the chest banana soraka is neat but I don't play bot anymore, ditto for dragonslayer vayne.

[Flying Dice]

Don't think of it as grind. Just play normally, eh?

[Jopax]

Yeah, but when you have three chests and keep getting nothing it gets a bit annoying. They're clever buggers using the whole mind fuckery the CCG's have established. The high you get from opening a chest or the annoyance you get when you're one fragment short of getting a key.

The worst part is that I recognize what they're doing and yet keep falling for it xd

[MrRoboto75]

Are the chests like crates and cases from TF2 or CS:GO?

[Jopax]

Kinda. You get chests randomly and from you or your teammates playing well. You also get key bits (you need three for a key) randomly with a higher chance if you play with friends I guess? Also only on wins? Not entirely clear on their drop rates, but I know you get fuck all from losses.

You can buy either chests or keys too. Chests contain bits of skins, champions and other stuff you can usually buy for cash. Those bits are temporary but can be broken into two kinds of dust or upgraded to be permanent using said dust.