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[Sharp]

Anyway I still feel Veigar will be just as viable as he is now. One thing not mentioned here about his Q change is that because it is a pass-through 1st hit effect he can choose to either get 2 ap from one Q or get 1 AP and poke enemy at the same time

Ahahaha-wait, you were serious. You honestly think that every time (or even 25% of the time) where Veigar goes for a Q, there's conveniently going to be another low-health minion or enemy champion right behind the first target?

Ahahaha-wait, you honestly think that Veigar can't damage minions to kill 2 of them with Q, it's not like his W is really good for softening up a bunch of minons, and yes ahaha it's probably impossible for enemy champions to be behind one of their minions, I swear Lux mid like never lands a Q on enemy champ after it hits a minion first.

Yes Veigar is changed but I don't think you should QQ as in team fights he is going to be so much more effective then he is now.

[Jiokuy]

Small nit pick, but lux's Q has 200+ more range than Veigar's.

[frostshotgg]

By the time Veigar can q 2 minions at once, his W does more than soften them up.

[Flying Dice]

Anyway I still feel Veigar will be just as viable as he is now. One thing not mentioned here about his Q change is that because it is a pass-through 1st hit effect he can choose to either get 2 ap from one Q or get 1 AP and poke enemy at the same time

Ahahaha-wait, you were serious. You honestly think that every time (or even 25% of the time) where Veigar goes for a Q, there's conveniently going to be another low-health minion or enemy champion right behind the first target?

Ahahaha-wait, you honestly think that Veigar can't damage minions to kill 2 of them with Q, it's not like his W is really good for softening up a bunch of minons, and yes ahaha it's probably impossible for enemy champions to be behind one of their minions, I swear Lux mid like never lands a Q on enemy champ after it hits a minion first.

Yes Veigar is changed but I don't think you should QQ as in team fights he is going to be so much more effective then he is now.

You're still missing the point. Let me simplify it for you.

WHILE IN LANE. YOU ARE NOT ALONE. THE ENEMY LANER MAY TRY TO HARASS, KILL, OR ZONE YOU. MINIONS WILL NOT ALWAYS BE PERFECTLY PLACED AND HARMED SUCH THAT YOU CAN Q TWO AT ONCE. YOU WILL NOT HAVE SUFFICIENT SPARE MANA TO W EVERY WAVE MULTIPLE TIMES. DOING SO WILL RESULT IN MISSING CS. THE ONLY POINT AT WHICH YOU CAN Q TWO MINIONS EVERY TIME IS WHEN YOU'RE FARMED ENOUGH TO ONE-SHOT THEM, AT WHICH POINT NONE OF THE ABOVE IS A CONCERN.

Also, as Jiokuy said, Lux Q has better range. And it still doesn't happen every time (or even all that often).

But your comment about "in team fights he is going to be so much more effective then he is now"... I'd laugh harder, but at this point it's honestly kind of sad that you're still pretending that you know what you're talking about. Think about what you're saying, bud. "A stun with a 0.75s delay and very visible particle effect beforehand is superior to the same stun going off instantly." Are you sure you want to argue that?

[Frumple]

Now now, FD. That comment on effectiveness didn't clarify for which team the statement would be true.

I'm sure the teamfight potential of the team without veigar will indeed gain significant effectiveness, compared to the current incarnation.

[Lord_lemonpie]

.-.
so fucking close

[frostshotgg]

New bard champion revealed, creatively named Bard.

I'm kinda surprised he's another support. No knock-ups though, that's a first in a long time.

[Lord_lemonpie]

New bard champion revealed, creatively named Bard.

I'm kinda surprised he's another support. No knock-ups though, that's a first in a long time.

Damn he looks pretty cool to me

[Solymr]

Does he have dashes tho

[frostshotgg]

He has a weird game-wide dash thing. He places a portal on a wall that lets you jump through it kinda like a one-way rek'sai tunnel, but everybody can use it, including enemies.

[Solymr]

Can it be used to lure enemies towards fountain?

[IronyOwl]

Quick Morty, follow them through the portal!

But yeah, robo Santa Claus seems neat.

[frostshotgg]

He doesn't pick two points to link, it just lets you jump straight through a wall. You're not going surprise anybody with where you're going, although I can some hilarious ambushes with it.

[Lord_lemonpie]

It looks like he's a complete beast if he's played right, but the trolling potential is going to be ridiculous.

Your whole team is extremely low after doing Nashor and you're being followed by a 25/0/10 Akali: just use your portal towards them to escape.
You and some other team members are being chased by the enemy team: just ult your tank and use him as your sacrificial lamb.
Etc.

Even though his name isn't very creative, his looks and his kit are.

[GreatJustice]

It looks like he's a complete beast if he's played right, but the trolling potential is going to be ridiculous.

Your whole team is extremely low after doing Nashor and you're being followed by a 25/0/10 Akali: just use your portal towards them to escape.
You and some other team members are being chased by the enemy team: just ult your tank and use him as your sacrificial lamb.
Etc.

Even though his name isn't very creative, his looks and his kit are.

The ways in which he could be used to screw his own team are uncountable.

Your teammates land hard CC and start going in? Use your ult to cancel your teammates' CC!

Enemy team chasing your team after a bad teamfight? Ult your team to give them a chance to catch up, or give them a portal shortcut!

About to narrowly win via backdoor or after a long fight? Ult the enemy nexus or inhibitor so your team can't damage it!

Trying to take baron really fast, with the enemy team headed your way? Give them a chance by ulting baron! Even better, give them a portal so they can arrive to fight you in time too!