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[Skyrunner]

LoL's idea of a "fair game" is, apparently, one team of a single D5 and four silver again three platinum and two gold players... I've never been so thoroughly at level 2 in bot lane ._.

It always has to be the "last game of the night/before I go somewhere" games that have to be terrible.

[FritzPL]

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This makes me feel good.

[frostshotgg]

Picking teemo in blind pick is really playing dirty right now. Standard "blind pick is shit" aside, picking a champ who hard counters 90% of his common lane opponents who just got buffed from "useless, but still ungodly annoying" to "actually pretty high tier" is kinda asshattery.

[IronyOwl]

To be fair, Teemo is useful even with oracles. If you minefield your nexus and fight in the middle and disengage, they'll either have to run through the field or navigate arohnd the field. Either way it's a deterrent.

You can also mine the edges of bushes. Mist aside, they can't clear it out if they can't see it until it's too late.

Picking teemo in blind pick is really playing dirty right now. Standard "blind pick is shit" aside, picking a champ who hard counters 90% of his common lane opponents who just got buffed from "useless, but still ungodly annoying" to "actually pretty high tier" is kinda asshattery.

Mm? Who's he commonly up against nowadays and how'd he get buffed?

[Graven]

So I gave Yasuo a few [tens] of tries on Dominion, because hey - a resourceless champion with some cc and mobility? That's like most of the holy trinity of dominion!

The build I ended up with most often was Static shiv -> Trinity Force -> Whatever.  I gave a more AD-carry oriented build a few games, didn't like it much. Seems like Yasuo needs to hang around to do his damage, rather than go in and burst someone, unless you have another reliable knockup [and aren't really bad at ulting when someone else knocks them up ._.]

I got a few triple kills, got a few games where I was plain useless, so he seems a bit hit-and-miss on Dom. The biggest problem I had was that I just wasn't doing a lot of damage early on, and it was hard to snowball compared to something like a Riven, or a standard melee carry like Yi or Fiora.

He's quite fun to play when you get the hang and range of his abilities, you can dash around like crazy if there are minions around, and can do some nice jukes combined with the W. That said, me and a Yi seriously spent like 5 minutes chasing a LeBlanc in the jungle around the storm buff, it was hilarious.

I can see him being really powerful on SR in the hands of good players, that W is godly. On Dominion, though, if you want a resourceless champion with mobility and good damage, go Riven, Lee Sin or Zed.

W-ing an ult will never stop being hilarious, though.

[frostshotgg]

Picking teemo in blind pick is really playing dirty right now. Standard "blind pick is shit" aside, picking a champ who hard counters 90% of his common lane opponents who just got buffed from "useless, but still ungodly annoying" to "actually pretty high tier" is kinda asshattery.

Mm? Who's he commonly up against nowadays and how'd he get buffed?

First of all, in case you missed it, S4 was a huge buff for Teemo. Stealth detection is basically nonexistent. Oracles is relegated to 8 seconds every 60 after level 9 in a small area, pink wards are for area control. He can do more than just shroom bushes now. Any major chokepoint or passage can and will have a shroom in it, and you can't just oracles it and call it a day.
He's commonly up against melees who can't outrun him, and that's who he counters the hardest. Standard top lane fare. 

[IronyOwl]

W-ing an ult will never stop being hilarious, though.

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Having Fiddles' bouncecrows blocked by that was bad enough.

First of all, in case you missed it, S4 was a huge buff for Teemo. Stealth detection is basically nonexistent. Oracles is relegated to 8 seconds every 60 after level 9 in a small area, pink wards are for area control. He can do more than just shroom bushes now. Any major chokepoint or passage can and will have a shroom in it, and you can't just oracles it and call it a day.
He's commonly up against melees who can't outrun him, and that's who he counters the hardest. Standard top lane fare.

Ah, right. I was wondering how Eve was doing after that, but I sort of forgot about all the other stealth champs.


In mostly unrelated news, played Vladimir vs Riven top, and it was super fun. I think the best matchups are those ones where each party's kind of, but not totally, afraid to go in on each other.

[Skyrunner]

W-ing an ult will never stop being hilarious, though.

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Having Fiddles' bouncecrows blocked by that was bad enough.

Sona's ult merely has to graze the wall for the whole thing to disappear...

[Jopax]

So I'm not sure if it was the Anivia I was facing that sucked, or that I was good with Kassa, but I did really good last match, I think I'll like him quite a bit

[ansontan2000]

I feel bad for the Anivia...

[webadict]

Picking teemo in blind pick is really playing dirty right now. Standard "blind pick is shit" aside, picking a champ who hard counters 90% of his common lane opponents who just got buffed from "useless, but still ungodly annoying" to "actually pretty high tier" is kinda asshattery.

Mm? Who's he commonly up against nowadays and how'd he get buffed?

First of all, in case you missed it, S4 was a huge buff for Teemo. Stealth detection is basically nonexistent. Oracles is relegated to 8 seconds every 60 after level 9 in a small area, pink wards are for area control. He can do more than just shroom bushes now. Any major chokepoint or passage can and will have a shroom in it, and you can't just oracles it and call it a day.
He's commonly up against melees who can't outrun him, and that's who he counters the hardest. Standard top lane fare.

How is that the opponent's fault? If he wants to pick Teemo, who cares? If he wanted to picks Kassadin, who cares? If he wants to pick Eve, WHO CARES?

It doesn't matter if he pick anything that happens to beat most match ups. It's not playing dirty. That's just a fact of playing the game. Sometimes the opponent picks things that do better.

Oh no. Playing dirty by picking [Insert Random Champion]! I mean, you could pick Annie, Riven, Teemo, Eve, Kassadin, etc. It's not like the opponent didn't HAVE THE SAME CHOICE!

So I'm not sure if it was the Anivia I was facing that sucked, or that I was good with Kassa, but I did really good last match, I think I'll like him quite a bit

Kassadin sort of hurts Anivia. A lot. His mobility beats her lack of mobility.

[Sharp]

I think the adc-support bot lane meta is dying, it's actually super strong to have an AP carry as support who ends up with lots of kills and gold or actually just having an AP laner with a Tanky/CC support like Leona or a kill lane like J4 and Xin. The J4 and Xin combo lane is so ridiculously strong because of the amount of CC and armour reduction and with dual relic shield they can both push very quickly but I also like the Malzahar/Leona lane because that also does a ridiculous amount of damage.

EDIT: Although Lucian is still good as a powerful lane bully and Jinx is super strong late game with her AoE damage

[Chaoswizkid]

I think the adc-support bot lane meta is dying, it's actually super strong to have an AP carry as support who ends up with lots of kills and gold or actually just having an AP laner with a Tanky/CC support like Leona or a kill lane like J4 and Xin. The J4 and Xin combo lane is so ridiculously strong because of the amount of CC and armour reduction and with dual relic shield they can both push very quickly but I also like the Malzahar/Leona lane because that also does a ridiculous amount of damage.

EDIT: Although Lucian is still good as a powerful lane bully and Jinx is super strong late game with her AoE damage

But most of those combos are still not as good for actually taking Dragon, unless you shuffle ADC to mid and don't have a support. That's the whole reason why ADC/support was a thing: Dragon control. AP carries bot with a tank or tanky cc would be good for fending off enemies at Dragon, giving effective control, but they won't be able to kill it unless the ADC is in position or a teamfight is forced and won. The Xin + J4 combo would be good with a jungler because they can ignore harass and do enough sustained damage that they'll eventually get Dragon.

Still, you're essentially giving up control of Dragon for more effectiveness in lane. If you can capitalize on that, it might be a great trade-off and your gains allow you to have Dragon control anyway.

I wouldn't say the meta there is dying. I think it's more that players in general are less disapproving of it because it's been shown it can be effective, but a lot of its effectiveness is that it counters the meta of ADC+Support. Some people might start throwing J4 Xin bot against another J4 Xin and nothing really happens. Eventually, people who play ADC+Support bot are going to figure out how to handle or counter the situation, and then the lane becomes less and less effective and more and more of a gamble on trading off Dragon control. So instead of the meta dying, I'd say that there's just a lot more approaches being considered to toss things up instead of having 100% or 95% of games be ADC+Support vs. ADC+Support in bot.

[Sharp]

no duo-bot is for dragon control, im saying traditional ranged adc role is dying out, AP is perfectly fine for taking out dragon, what AP's can't do as effectively as ADC's is take down towers as quickly but AP carry can zone out an adc much more effectively so it doesn't matter.

[DemonOfWrath]

Actually what most APs can't do (exceptions for Ryze, Cassiopiea, and maybe one or two others) that the ranged ADC role is taken for is sustained damage. Most APs are very burst-y and reliant on their ultimates for full damage, so while they hit hard initially their damage then falls off dramatically and they have to wait on cooldowns, while the ADC simply autos away and doesn't have that drop in dps. Basically you need the sustained damage to handle tanky bruisers, as AP burst mages generally can't handle them if they're unable to immediately kill (or near kill) them.