Manamune / Muramana is more or less retarded on Ryze at this point. The lack of APen on Ryze makes its damage too low compared to that of AAS and its mana shield, while a two tear build is... viable if you're curbstomping, but otherwise proves to be horribly slot-inefficient since it takes anywhere from 15~20 minutes to charge up a tear, assuming laning phase.
Also, I am slightly horrified at webadcit's build. Ryze's range nerfs hit him hard in terms of mid-lane matchups, so going the conservative catalyst-tear build is basically asking to be bullied to hell, while merc treads just don't offer any firepower over at top. Not to mention the lack of MPen as a carry.
Also, I question the validity of Rylai's - you're already going to have ~3500 health along with the additional resistances - is Rylai's really worth the cost, or the slot, in terms of what you could have gotten? Like a Void Staff? Consider that as Ryze, you have melee MS, and you are likely to take MS runes. Ryze does not lack chasing power - and Rylai's is also a horribly inefficient item, especially considering Ryze specifically.
My top lane Ryze build is: Tear-Ninja Tabi-Catalyst-FH-RoA-AAS-SV in that order. Catalyst actually takes a backseat to Ninja Tabi because MS is crucial for Ryze to survive in top lane matchups; sometimes I forgo the catalyst to finish off a glacial shroud instead if I need the extra power.
Also, yes, RoA is a great item, incredibly efficient in both stats and slots. Unfortunately, it's a luxury, not a core most of the time for me, as there are so many issues to deal with.
Yes, the range nerfs did hit him hard. That doesn't make him a bad mid laner. It just stops him from being as incredibly OP as he was. Going Tear -> Catalyst is asking for punishment, but if you're ahead, it won't be an issue, which is the exact disclaimer I gave. I would much prefer Catalyst -> Tear, since Catalyst is going to give you better survivability into mid game than Tear is.
Merc Treads offer amazing stats that Ryze can get. I've found Sorc Shoes to be great during mid game, but awful later, since you'll be a bit of an offtank without the tenacity to keep yourself dishing out damage. Ninja Tabi is a good pick up if you're facing heavy AD teams, but if not, I would forgo them. The MR choices are weaker than the Armor choices for Ryze. Frozen Heart was basically made for Ryze, but Spirit Visage is more of the 1 Size Fits All category. It's good, but I find Frozen Heart better.
I dunno how you're getting 3500 Health from that build (I typically get to about 2800-2900ish) unless you're counting Rylai's in there but the point of the Rylai's is to keep you acting in the front of the group and to make sure no one escapes. Ryze is going to be using that slow non-stop, so it isn't a bad item on him. This item is more for your team. Being front line and keeping the enemy fighting you might be a better goal than piercing more of their damage. Plus, extra survivability never hurt anyone.
And I used to find RoA a luxury item on Ryze. But, with BV no longer building from Catalyst, RoA is the next best thing. Getting the item early helps get him the stats he'll need, since you're going to be getting a ton of Armor and/or MR from your build already. And it won't be late. I don't disagree that Glacial Shroud is amazing on Ryze, and I don't disagree that there are times when you should build it before RoA. But, that RoA is a better build if you don't need the Armor or MR that your other items can give you, and it's only 1600 up from a Catalyst.
I highly doubt you found my build to be horrifying, since the similarities between the two are striking. In fact, your post could have simply been: "I would consider building Glacial Shroud before RoA for these reasons..." and then we could have discussed this like gentlemen. I would suggest this for the future, as it is much better in terms of attitude.
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Okay, good to see I was doing the right thing by pushing MP, but archangel's is better if I'm just stacking mana, check. Mostly went manamune for that 1000 damage, but I wasn't really autoattacking a lot. Rod of ages good, build tanky+mana, check. Early tear.
Thanks everyone!
I think you're confused. Manamune doesn't give 1000 damage. If you mean Mana, then Archangel's gives the same amount.
And yes. Lots of good items for Ryze. Lots of great items for Ryze (Frozen Heart can be built almost universally, and it'll do well). Just ask if you need any more help.
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