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Re: League of Legends - Patch 3.11 - Lucian, the Purifier
« Reply #12330 on: October 12, 2013, 07:48:18 pm »

Xaritscin, you're pretty much just wrong. Not trying to be a dick, but you're trying to say, definitively, that Kassadin is underpowered and should be rebalanced/reworked/etc. Basically everyone else, either from playing him, playing against him or watching games with him being played are saying that this is not the case. Please accept the possibility that you might be wrong about him being underpowered.

Kassadin's RQE combo will not result in a kill on someone at full health unless Kassadin is completely fed, higher level, or they build absolutely no defense and are naturally squishy. Kassadin is not a full-health burster. He whittles you down, bit by bit, then he pounces. That, or he shows up towards the end of a team fight to clean up. He has considerable burst, but it's all about the time leading up to the burst that matters, not the burst itself. Positioning is absolutely important considering he does not build to supplement his melee attacks (although those can be useful with his w, they are just dangerous), so he usually only goes in when he can guarantee that he'll also get back out.

If you have played other assassins, you should know that very few can burst someone down from full unless one of those situations are met. Assassins are terrifying because they stop you from doing pretty much anything, constantly chasing you down and doing absurd damage as long as they stick on you. Only assassin champions like LeBlanc (who was rebalanced so it's less of a case now) put you in danger of immediate death when you see her, and that's still only if you haven't built defense or are naturally squishy.

That said, if you're an assassin and you're jumping, alone, onto anyone that can survive your burst and stun you after you silence them... you're doing it wrong. You listed 2 tanky dps champions who are naturally resilient against assassins (so you're saying, "Kassadin can't burst down his counterpicks!") and Master Yi who is an AD assassin, meaning that all he requires to kill you is to get close, which is necessary for Kassadin. So again, you're right. Kassadin going against them is a bad idea. That's because he is not good against them, not because he doesn't have the power required to be an assassin.

You also won't see those types of champions mid unless you're horribly unlucky (or lucky, considering it should allow your other lanes/jungle some advantages).
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Re: League of Legends - Patch 3.11 - Lucian, the Purifier
« Reply #12331 on: October 12, 2013, 07:56:36 pm »

sorry but im not a metagame bitch, i just play with whatever champ i like to use for the moment, so i only stick to what i can do....

i dont care for the lane i just choose one and try to do my best against the enemy i have, with the equipment i can afford in the match, i only go with rules when i know which type of champ in using...
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Re: League of Legends - Patch 3.11 - Lucian, the Purifier
« Reply #12332 on: October 12, 2013, 07:58:26 pm »

... Okay? Then don't complain about a champion if you're not willing to learn where and for what reasons they are useful or not useful.
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Re: League of Legends - Patch 3.11 - Lucian, the Purifier
« Reply #12333 on: October 12, 2013, 08:03:35 pm »

Metagame does not mean what you think. There's a proper way to play Kassadin, maybe variations, but the proper way is what he's balanced around, and he's on the *strong* side of balancing right now, nowhere near underpowered. That is not a metagame. That's just plain game knowledge.
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Re: League of Legends - Patch 3.11 - Lucian, the Purifier
« Reply #12334 on: October 13, 2013, 02:10:58 am »

Well Ranked so far has been the worst.  I'm 1-3 so far, every game has been awful, everyone bitches, everyone's mad, nobody knows how to support, this is just the worst, dude.
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Re: League of Legends - Patch 3.11 - Lucian, the Purifier
« Reply #12335 on: October 13, 2013, 03:16:14 am »

Did you lose the first game, by any chance?
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Re: League of Legends - Patch 3.11 - Lucian, the Purifier
« Reply #12336 on: October 13, 2013, 05:43:42 am »

Well Ranked so far has been the worst.  I'm 1-3 so far, every game has been awful, everyone bitches, everyone's mad, nobody knows how to support, this is just the worst, dude.

Just chillax. It's a game, sometimes you can get a streak of bad luck, but keeping a good attitude helps immensely from my own personal experience. Once you have seen the depths of low ELO you learn to appreciate the little things more.
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« Reply #12337 on: October 13, 2013, 06:09:38 am »

I got League of Legends installed tonight. After the tutorial I'd say I give it an 8/10 and probably would want to play it once in a while. I like Team Fortress 2 a lot more but I'd be willing to play League of Legends as well.
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Re: League of Legends - Patch 3.11 - Lucian, the Purifier
« Reply #12338 on: October 13, 2013, 06:19:16 am »

sorry but im not a metagame bitch, i just play with whatever champ i like to use for the moment, so i only stick to what i can do....

i dont care for the lane i just choose one and try to do my best against the enemy i have, with the equipment i can afford in the match, i only go with rules when i know which type of champ in using...

Metagaming influences where certain abilities and champions do well in, and if you're trying to go against the meta just because you want to, then you have no right to complain when you're told otherwise on something. "Metagame bitch" or not, nobody plays by your rules, and they tend to play follow the leader on people who get paid to play the game in a professional setting. Though I hear the Brazilian servers have a very, very odd meta compared to US servers.
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Re: League of Legends - Patch 3.11 - Lucian, the Purifier
« Reply #12339 on: October 13, 2013, 10:15:15 am »

Ah, that made up for everything that happened yesterday. Nothing like a 15/1/17 jung Sej gigglefest to cheer ya up. But that wasn't what was nice, it was that this soloqueue team actually listened to all of my calls, worked together, set the lane properly when I came in for ganks, didn't chase into fog, and we ripped in every single teamfight. When the other team tried for a desperation Baron, instead of trying to contest the team followed my lead, fell back to base, and we curbstomped them in a 5v5 that lasted less than six seconds. All those "Helpful" honors feel really nice. :))

sorry but im not a metagame bitch, i just play with whatever champ i like to use for the moment, so i only stick to what i can do....

i dont care for the lane i just choose one and try to do my best against the enemy i have, with the equipment i can afford in the match, i only go with rules when i know which type of champ in using...
Even though I'm pretty much a complete newb and might not even hit level 30 before the end of s3, I have to disagree with this. If you pick something that mismatches the meta, chances are it's going to be something that gives the advantage to the enemy, not to you. There's nothing wrong with experimenting and messing around in games with bots/friends, but that'll just get you yelled at and lose games in normal matches. Understanding how your champions work, what items synergize well with them, who they're weak/strong against isn't metagame. The meta just dictates (most of the time) which lane will have which type of champion in it.
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Re: League of Legends - Patch 3.11 - Lucian, the Purifier
« Reply #12340 on: October 13, 2013, 10:55:35 am »

Yeah, the thing about playing against the meta is that you have to understand it toroughly, the hows and the whys if you want to have any chance of effectively countering it. Also having team coordination is rather important in that regard since the other team will most certainly have five people playing familiar roles which thanks to their belonging to the meta fit together very nicely. Your team on the other hand will have four people struggling to play the meta with one person faffing about doing whatever the hell they want.
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Re: League of Legends - Patch 3.11 - Lucian, the Purifier
« Reply #12341 on: October 13, 2013, 11:52:01 am »

Well Ranked so far has been the worst.  I'm 1-3 so far, every game has been awful, everyone bitches, everyone's mad, nobody knows how to support, this is just the worst, dude.

Try and ignore or defuse raging; being upset at them isn't going to help anything and it'll make everything worse.

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The only advice I can give for ranked games is: Never Surrender.  League of Legends is a game of throws; I've won a 4v5 because the other team surrendered after I got a quadra kill; I've won a game 30 kills behind cause they all chose to dive the fountain and let the minions win it - inhib respawned, nexus lived, and we pushed/tanked through 5 towers and won while they were dead.

Anyway; don't rage at your team; and don't get super frustrated.  At the end of the day League of Legends is a game; and everyone is playing for fun.

Yeah, the thing about playing against the meta is that you have to understand it toroughly, the hows and the whys if you want to have any chance of effectively countering it. Also having team coordination is rather important in that regard since the other team will most certainly have five people playing familiar roles which thanks to their belonging to the meta fit together very nicely. Your team on the other hand will have four people struggling to play the meta with one person faffing about doing whatever the hell they want.

I took revive every time until I was level 30.  I won a lot of games solely because I had that spell.  I don't get to take it anymore.  Don't worry about the meta; its only there cause currently it does the best.  Its constantly changing and evolving.
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Re: League of Legends - Patch 3.11 - Lucian, the Purifier
« Reply #12342 on: October 13, 2013, 03:51:52 pm »

Whether or not you think the meta is changing/evolving depends on how you define meta. There are so many variations on what people think it is, from various champs being the best, to the 1-1-2-1 lane setup, to various mechanics being the most prominent. I go with the last, namely that the meta right now is the ranged AD, which hasn't changed a bit since Preseason 1. The lane setup has been becoming more flexible of late as far as who goes where, but there's still 3 solos and 1 duo. The best champs change constantly.
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Re: League of Legends - Patch 3.11 - Lucian, the Purifier
« Reply #12343 on: October 13, 2013, 03:57:45 pm »

I go with the last, namely that the meta right now is the ranged AD, which hasn't changed a bit since Preseason 1.

Actually, I'm not sure about that. I've been hearing a lot lately that AP carry is the big deal. They got most of the attention from the fans in Worlds, they got most of the interviews, they got talked about the most and it seemed that their picks were more important. One of my friends that follows the game really closely also said that the game is shifting in focus to be around the AP carry rather than the ranged AD.

That could just be how Riot was handling things or that AP carries are Feature of the Month or something, but I don't think it is.
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« Reply #12344 on: October 13, 2013, 04:03:23 pm »

Zed/Ahri/Kassadin/Fizz have gotten a ton of attention lately because they can annihilate anybody by glancing at them. You know why that's a problem and Riot's nerfing it? Because it allows them to erase the ranged AD from the equation. Right now, everything is balanced around the ranged AD, how much damage they can do, and what you can do to stop that. The fact that armor is completely worthless right now is a direct consequence of S2 where tanks could build pure armor and ranged AD couldn't kill them for shit, so penetration was buffed and armor was nerfed.
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