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[Frumple]

... your words bite, FD. Been playing AoSs for probably a decade now and my map awareness is still shit. Just can't seem to get the feel for paying attention to the mechanics of last hitting and not getting squished in lane and the overall situation at the same time. If I pay attention to one, I suffer in the other. Practice has done nothing, actually trying has... done nothing. I'm honestly just kinda' terrible at DotA style AoS maps :V

One of the other reasons I largely stick to co-op matches, ha.

[IronyOwl]

It's weird how some failures can be frustrating and others just sort of amusing.

Had an ARAM where our Kennen said gg over being focused (he usually died well after me), then hung out in the bush while we drew back and the enemy passed. So... now we're separated, Voli ends up in the middle of their team somehow (they had a Blitz, but I don't think that was all of it), Kennen comes up the back and dies as expected, the rest of us can't hold the nexus. End of the game said something about something being OP. No Kennen, you just threw. Admittedly we were losing anyway, but still.

Game or two later, Amumu DCs. We get poked down even harder than we had been, Karthus says eh, fuck it. Gonna lose anyway, might as well dive them. Much funner game. Got stomped, but did fairly well for 4v5 desperation rushes, and the game was overall pretty fun and relaxing.

[Flying Dice]

... your words bite, FD. Been playing AoSs for probably a decade now and my map awareness is still shit. Just can't seem to get the feel for paying attention to the mechanics of last hitting and not getting squished in lane and the overall situation at the same time. If I pay attention to one, I suffer in the other. Practice has done nothing, actually trying has... done nothing. I'm honestly just kinda' terrible at DotA style AoS maps :V

One of the other reasons I largely stick to co-op matches, ha.

Sorry. :c

But I'm not even talking about map awareness, per se. Just common sense things like "My teammate just died in mid and there were three assists attached to the kill. Maybe I shouldn't charge mid alone." I get not being able to divide your attention like that; I have the same trouble in RTSes. Again, though, the issue there is that I get too caught up in the microcosm of the game, not that I spend the entire match spawning basic infantry with rally points in the enemy base. Not being very good at the game != W+M1ing for the entire match (to steal a bit of language from FPSes). S'the difference between the guy who tries his best but still gets ganked, has a negative KDR, and is pushed back, versus the guy who rushes straight at the nearest enemy champion for the entire match, regardless of circumstances, and who swears at anyone who suggests that maybe it isn't the best idea. One's okay and can be overcome with teamwork, the other is a lost cause.

Unrelated: I think I've found my second buy. I giggle nearly as much playing Akali as I do while playing Teemo.

[baruk]

 Gamania Bears vs  SK Telecom T1: SKT ought to win this 2-0. I've heard that the Gama Bears play-style is relatively slow and methodical - the team was put together a few months ago based around some of the top solo-queue players in Taiwan. I don't think they will be able to deal with Faker, but I hope they surprise me.

 Royal Club vs  OMG: This is a rematch of the Chinese regional final. I think OMG will get revenge, and take it 2-1. However, they are coming off their first defeat (to SKT) - the cascade of deaths that led to losing a 12 minute inhibitor will have been a dent in their confidence.

[Frumple]

Ah. Yeah, I'm... not quite that bad. I mean, don't dive into an outnumbered matchup unless you've got damn good reason to is just... sensible. Sometimes you think you've got good reason and it turns out you don't, but...

I'unno, even for me I (as in, I'm not really good enough/don't care enough to notice these things) see a lot of people with really... shoddy? Aggression. Not knowing when to pressure or keep back, even the littlest. I'm not exactly godlike myself, but stuff like "don't try to solo the fed critter and its four pals" is pretty basic, heh, as is "take that extra step to shoot the 10 hp champ in the head".

Anyway. Think I'll play another mundo game soon. I just... I love those cleavers. They're quite possibly my favorite skillshot in the game. Low CD, slow, utterly delicious damage, bloody close to outright costless, totes solid range and travel speed, even kinda' hard to see. You can poke, chase, farm, kill... everything. With those cleavers. Mundo's bloody close to a ranged hero because of those things Cleaver lyfe, baby.

[Cthulhu]

I think some people, like, unconsciously throw the game because they don't want to be carried.

It's like, you can stay under your tower and try to farm while someone else gets doubles and triples and wins, but that doesn't feel useful, so they try their damnedest to get back in the game, which just leads to them dying more.  They keep trying to fight in the hopes that something will go their way, or they head into a winning lane and fuck it up, they don't want to be the nub that got carried and they, probably without realizing it, throw a salvageable game.

That's the issue I think.  There's no excuse for dying five times in lane, as soon as you realize you're behind you need to stop leaving yourself open, towers 2 stronk.

I'm pulling back together though.  Just had a ridiculous game as Tryndamere.  We started off pretty rough, Trynd/MF vs Pantheon/Caitlyn, but they got cocky and threw a couple double kills my way and pretty soon the only one I couldn't just ream 1v1 was their fed Jax, and even that came down to one or two random crits.  Was one swing away from a penta right at the end but died because I was tunnelvisioning and didn't ult.

[webadict]

I think some people, like, unconsciously throw the game because they don't want to be carried.

It's like, you can stay under your tower and try to farm while someone else gets doubles and triples and wins, but that doesn't feel useful, so they try their damnedest to get back in the game, which just leads to them dying more.  They keep trying to fight in the hopes that something will go their way, or they head into a winning lane and fuck it up, they don't want to be the nub that got carried and they, probably without realizing it, throw a salvageable game.

That's the issue I think.  There's no excuse for dying five times in lane, as soon as you realize you're behind you need to stop leaving yourself open, towers 2 stronk.

I'm pulling back together though.  Just had a ridiculous game as Tryndamere.  We started off pretty rough, Trynd/MF vs Pantheon/Caitlyn, but they got cocky and threw a couple double kills my way and pretty soon the only one I couldn't just ream 1v1 was their fed Jax, and even that came down to one or two random crits.  Was one swing away from a penta right at the end but died because I was tunnelvisioning and didn't ult.

Or they could just, you know, not know some of these concepts. And, it IS a game, so they're trying what they think works for them. Sometimes, you just have a bad game. And it's not like you getting mad at them will suddenly make them play better.

[Flying Dice]

Yeah, turning toxic is definitely a no. I see how people slide towards it, but I don't want to be like that with something I enjoy. Though I'm not above surrender-voting if 2+ of my teammates are feeding/AFK. No point being nasty, but there's also no point wasting half an hour because someone is suicidal and stubborn.

[IronyOwl]

Gamania Bears vs  SK Telecom T1: SKT ought to win this 2-0. I've heard that the Gama Bears play-style is relatively slow and methodical - the team was put together a few months ago based around some of the top solo-queue players in Taiwan. I don't think they will be able to deal with Faker, but I hope they surprise me.

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Yep. Impact was pretty important both times, but Faker Lissandra was horrifying in the second game.

Though, I kind of feel like Bears had a chance, they just couldn't engage properly. They seemed to do decently when they weren't trying to chunk down Impact the full tank and then got their own squishies detonated.

[Cthulhu]

Yeah, I don't rage or anything.  I reproach, and I've occasionally lamented the sad state of things, but I never tell people to uninstall or fuck themselves.

[IronyOwl]

Royal Club vs  OMG: This is a rematch of the Chinese regional final. I think OMG will get revenge, and take it 2-1. However, they are coming off their first defeat (to SKT) - the cascade of deaths that led to losing a 12 minute inhibitor will have been a dent in their confidence.

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Holy crap. These games were really good.

Greatly enjoyed seeing Vayne, too.

[Astral]

Where are people watching these matches? I might end up bored enough to see how the higher level plays, especially now that I finally decided to go through my provisionals and get placed at Silver 1 for solo queue.

I've just never found it fun to watch someone else play a game unless I'm unable to play that myself.

[Chaoswizkid]

http://www.lolesports.com/

If the games are currently being played, there will be a livestream. Otherwise, you can click on the brackets to be taken to the match/set results where you can then access links to the games. The links are youtube videos of the livestream for that day, snipped for just the game in question.

[Cthulhu]

I don't watch the pro scene, and I hate how mindlessly non-pro players latch onto anything a pro says.

If HotshotGG (or whoever's the equivalent right now, I stopped paying attention) said "AS/on-hit Veigar is brokenly overpowered" in a stream, you would see dozens of AS/on-hit Veigars in solo queue.  All the way down to level 1 people are screaming about the meta.  I don't just hate the meta to hate the meta like some people, I understand why it exists, but if you've got fifty games under your belt nobody in your game is playing optimally and it's probably gonna come down to which team dies the most in the laning phase. 

[Flying Dice]

The problem, though, is that some elements of the meta exist because they make good sense even outside the context of it. Like, say, having ADC and support duo-lane, having a jungler, having a team comp that covers all the different roles, etc. Honestly, too, I was seeing people follow meta norms from level one, taking their AP mid, ADC bot, tank top, etc. It's ingrained enough in the collective mindset that it's usually better to stick with it (or deliberately build to beat it), because most of the time most of the other players will (to some extent), and you don't want to get into a situation where you can't handle your lane because you chose a champion and build that doesn't do well against meta norms for that position.


That said, the whole "OMG SO'N'SO SAID THIS THEIR WORD IS LAW" thing reminds me entirely too much of the MLG fanboy crowd from Halo, and I hated those fuckers with a passion.