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[Jopax]

My advice is to stay away from ranked if you can, it has way more ragers and idiots than randoms it seems, and it just isn't fun when the match is decided in the picking phase either by idiots or trolls and you can either dodge and lose the match automatically or you can play and suffer for twenty minutes before losing the match.

[Jack_Bread]

My advice is to stay away from ranked if you can, it has way more ragers and idiots than randoms it seems, and it just isn't fun when the match is decided in the picking phase either by idiots or trolls and you can either dodge and lose the match automatically or you can play and suffer for twenty minutes before losing the match.

You're making it sound way worse than it is.

but when is "finished learning how to play" defined?

Technically you can never be finished learning how to play, since you'd get something from each game. >__>

A lot of people would recommend staying away from ranked until ~400 or 500 normal victories, but really, try shooting for "a lot."

[Sharp]

Or just ignore it and play ranked. It's just a game, once you reach lvl 30 you pretty much know the basics, all you get to enjoy now is people bitching about what lane they want, and you have the same chance as everyone else of being stuck on a great team or a terrible team.

[Jopax]

It is bad, it won't always be that bad, but most of the time you're better off playing randoms or if you want draft pick then play draft pick in randoms. Ranked simply adds another layer of needless e-peen waving which makes it all the more toxic, because suddenly not everyone is playing for fun, but they're playing because they need the points, and if things go south they're all the more inclined to vent out on their team or do something terribly stupid.

So yeah, ranked offers no real advantage over randoms, other than e-peen measuring contests.

[Skyrunner]

But ... but...

I want the silver border D:

[frostshotgg]

If you do ranked before at least 400-ish wins, you're not going to do anything but sink straight down to bronze 5. Your teammates will hate you because you WILL drag them down with you.

[webadict]

Finish learning to play before you ranked. Everyone will hate you if you don't

If you do ranked before at least 400-ish wins, you're not going to do anything but sink straight down to bronze 5. Your teammates will hate you because you WILL drag them down with you.

...

Uh...

What.

This is LAUGHABLY wrong. Do you even know what the point of ranked is? Have you ever SEEN Bronze 5? Have you ever talked to a Bronze player?

Because what you said right there is so horribly incorrect, it angers me.

You can do ranked with 0 wins for all I care. Ranked is about finding out where you belong. You DO NOT drag your teammates down. You DO NOT get carried to high Elo. THERE IS NO ELO HELL, and it's comments like this that just put the blame on their teammates. I don't care if your teammate is Bronze 5 skill level. If you're not, then you won't be brought to Bronze 5.

Wherever you end up in ranked is where you deserve to be. If you deserve to be higher, then you'll get there eventually. If you end up in Bronze 5? Well, then you deserve to be there too. It's not your teammates' faults. They didn't drag you to the bottom. And you didn't drag them either.

I've talked to Bronze players. I understand how and why they are in Bronze. I've been to Bronze. A lot of them have this mentality. Teammates don't drag you down. You drag yourself down. And the same goes for the opposite. Only you can carry yourself.

In fact, I'm watching a Bronze player carry himself out of Bronze as we speak. The only thing he realized was that he's the only one responsible for him being Bronze. He's learning how to play. A lot of Bronze players prefer sub-optimal item builds, so he's finding better builds and items, and learning situations where it's better to build which items. And he did this in Bronze 5. They're not all bad players.

but when is "finished learning how to play" defined?

Technically you can never be finished learning how to play, since you'd get something from each game. >__>

Play right now if you want. Ranked is about learning how to play, just as much as normals. You don't need any number of wins to play ranked. All you need is 16 champions. If you end up in Bronze, you end up in Bronze. But, I've seen you play, and you're not bad. You're just inexperienced, and the only way to get experience... Is playing the game.

I will say this though: Learn a few things about other roles. I know you know mid and jungle, but do you know top? ADC? Support? The role you get depends on your team and your ability to interact with them. Some of them will give you mid. Some of them will give you jungle. Some of them will give you support. If you're willing to play every role, then feel free to ranked. If you're not, then play something you don't feel comfortable with in a normal.

No lies: Anyone can be platinum without mechanics. It takes a lot of game knowledge, but it's incredibly doable.

So, play when you think you'll do well. Or if you want to know how well you're doing. Ranked is there to offer you knowledge on how well you compare to other people. That's what it's there for. Not any of this "400 wins" garbage. I can tell you that the number of wins you have means nothing. I have 800 some, and I still suck. I know people with 2000 wins that suck. And I know people with 100 wins that could destroy me. What does it matter how many wins you have?

TL;DR: Play ranked. Ward. Don't rage.

[frostshotgg]

The "Every game can be carried" mentality is a good one to have, but not one that's true. Most games can be carried, but not all. There are some games that are just completely lost, such as when Soraka feeds Vayne 9 kills by 10 minutes. That's why you need to know how to play, because otherwise the enemy team is sure to capitalize on you being the weakest link and win the game because of it. If you're vastly weaker than the rest of your team, you will be the reason your team loses.

[eerr]

Ranked is not merciful to those with 1000 more soloque games than ranked games.

Ranked is somewhat merciful to those with very few soloque games.

So don't wait forever or you'll just get rolled all the time regardless.

Don't squat in In normals, it's REALLY BAD TO IGNORE RANKED.

I've got dozens of normals habits holding me back.


Usually I get wiped like five times in a row then die in a fire.

It may be because tank jungle is meta and playing tanks bore me to death.


Ranked will always have people complaining.
Always.
Always.

For your first 200 or so ranked games at least.
Then the next 800 or so.
The only way to make people not bitch as much while you play is to be a top tier streamer.

[IronyOwl]

The "Every game can be carried" mentality is a good one to have, but not one that's true. Most games can be carried, but not all. There are some games that are just completely lost, such as when Soraka feeds Vayne 9 kills by 10 minutes. That's why you need to know how to play, because otherwise the enemy team is sure to capitalize on you being the weakest link and win the game because of it. If you're vastly weaker than the rest of your team, you will be the reason your team loses.

But if that happens, matchmaking will just realize you suck more than it thought and start matching you with and against slightly worse players.

I'm all in favor of learning things and knowing things and not screwing up, but the notion that if you suck you'll lose games for your team is only true in the technical sense- since if you don't suck, you'll still lose games for your team else you'd be ranked even higher than you are. The only exceptions would be "uneven" or situational suck, like playing a lot better when your team is winning than when they're behind, since then you really will oscillate pretty wildly depending on the game and exactly what happens in it.


On a lighter note...

[webadict]

The "Every game can be carried" mentality is a good one to have, but not one that's true. Most games can be carried, but not all. There are some games that are just completely lost, such as when Soraka feeds Vayne 9 kills by 10 minutes. That's why you need to know how to play, because otherwise the enemy team is sure to capitalize on you being the weakest link and win the game because of it. If you're vastly weaker than the rest of your team, you will be the reason your team loses.

I don't think every game can be carried. I think you have to carry yourself out of any rank you're in. Not every game is winnable. But, a majority of them are.

But, then your logic is still flawed. You're reasoning is that you have to be perfect to play, or else your team will hate you. Who cares if your team hates you? You're never going to see them again. In fact, sometimes you'll just be hated regardless of how well you do. So, why should anyone care if their team hates them? If I'm not as skilled as my opponents, then I guess I'll drop in rank, but I won't know if I don't play ranked, will I?

And, congratulations. You've figured out a valuable strategy. Go after the weak link. If only you could exploit a similar mechanism, hmmmmmmmmmm?

Seriously, your points are terrible. You play ranked to find out your rank. That's what it's for. That's even why it's called ranked. It doesn't require any skill because where you ultimately end up is based on your skill and your skill alone.

[Chaoswizkid]

If you're vastly weaker than the rest of your team, you will be the reason your team loses.

That will be a very rare event given enough ranked games. You will eventually be playing at the appropriate elo, and the chances of you playing with a full team of people whose true elo (that is, the ranking they truly deserve but have not played enough ranked games to achieve yet) is higher than yours will be absolutely rare. Even not given enough ranked games, where you haven't found your true elo yet, to have a full group of people with true elos higher than yours is rare. Ranked is not like some normal matchup where you can have plat players versus bronze (it happens), you get people who are currently estimated to be at the same level. If people haven't played many games then they could have been carried. It could have been luck. It could have been the matchups. His or her team could have been better coordinated. The other teams could have been raging at each other. It could have been the most recent patch. All those things could make them be playing at an elo they cannot play at unless they get better. The most likely situation, though, is that the person playing at any given elo should either play at that elo or play at a higher elo. You are matched with the same people. No one is likely to be "vastly weaker".

One of my very good friends is a Plat. I've got acquaintances from school that are also plats. I believe two are diamonds. A good number are golds, there's probably several silvers and there is probably a bronze as well. I made what would be Silver 1 in Season 2, which is the equivalent of Gold 3 I think but I'm not sure, before I stopped since the effort to get that last 10-15 elo to land in gold would have interfered with my grades. From basically every conversation I've had, I gather that: there is no elo hell. There are feeders and trolls at every level. It doesn't matter if they are diamond, they might be having a bad day or just getting really outplayed. It doesn't matter if they're diamond, people can still want to be jerks for a game and troll the hell out of their team. There are still ragers that bring down team morale. There are still people that criticize builds, there are still people that criticize play. The only difference is that people are less likely to make mistakes; its still up to the individuals to make the effort to be civil and foster a sense of teamwork in order to win games.

And if no one has seen it, check out the "Teamwork OP" video made by Riot which has a bunch of statistics related to teamwork and ragers and whatnot.

[frostshotgg]

All right, I give up. Fine, it's perfectly all right to cost other people rank because you want to know just how badly you suck. That thought process is exactly why anybody believes elo hell exists, and is part of the problem with the elo system entirely. In order to find out just how bad you are, you must drag others down with you.

[SalmonGod]

All right, I give up. Fine, it's perfectly all right to cost other people rank because you want to know just how badly you suck. That thought process is exactly why anybody believes elo hell exists, and is part of the problem with the elo system entirely. In order to find out just how bad you are, you must drag others down with you.

And this is why I regret competitive gaming ever becoming a thing.

[Chaoswizkid]

All right, I give up. Fine, it's perfectly all right to cost other people rank because you want to know just how badly you suck. That thought process is exactly why anybody believes elo hell exists, and is part of the problem with the elo system entirely. In order to find out just how bad you are, you must drag others down with you.

Except that makes absolutely no sense. How are you dragging down people if the most likely possibility is that you're playing at the elo you need to be at or you should be playing at a higher elo? People don't get to gold and then suddenly plummet to bronze. People don't get high silver and then suddenly plummet to bronze. They might range within +-3 ranks, but you're acting like someone really bad can get all the way to the top and then just ruin everyone's day. If someone wants to play ranked and they deserve to be at Bronze 5? Let them play and lose their provisional games and start lower.

So how is anyone playing ranked costing other people their rank? They're in the same rank as this theoretical boat sinker; how did that happen? How are they actually good if they are getting paired up with someone whose play is more fit for 5 levels under the current play? Is this bad player straight out of provisional? Is the good player straight out of provisional? Because if not, that pretty much just can't happen, and if so, it'll sort itself out. You act like elo is a reward you get for being good. Elo is what bracket you play at and will only be properly determined given an infinite number of games. If you're playing with someone way out of their league, provisionals are ruining your day or you somehow deserve to play with them.