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Re: League of Legends - Season 3!
« Reply #11070 on: February 12, 2013, 11:29:25 pm »

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Re: League of Legends - Season 3!
« Reply #11071 on: February 13, 2013, 12:53:07 am »

I'll second support being the hardest role. A lot of the stuff they have to do could be pushed onto the AD, but the AD is typically someone who's superior at the purely technical skills of last hitting and positioning. Support lends itself more to a strategic mind for many of its responsibilities, but still requires knowledge of all the technical stuff so you can protect your team.

For instance, a support needs to know when every jungler in the game can gank bot (from blue and purple side) and needs to know where they can gank from (in the case of Shaco/Nocturne ward jumping, or people crossing walls). Support shares a lot of responsibilities with the jungler - always paying attention to where the enemy mid/jungle are for potential ganks and dragon attempts, warding most of the SE section of the map, aiding in counterjungle attempts, and so on.

I wouldn't say it's the hardest role, but I would say that it IS, along with jungle, one of the most underappreciated roles. Here's the thing: yes, you might not say GJ to top lane or to mid lane or even to the ADC, but they do that on their own. Support and jungle are there to help the ADC/generic lanes out, so of course they should receive gratitude. When I jungle, I thank when mid and top leash, right? But top and mid don't help the jungle out at all. The ADC doesn't help the support at all (it...varies, probably, depending on who you ask, but I generally initiate bot lane fights as support, not the ADC). Sure, when top/mid/bot win their lanes, that helps the team as a whole, but that's covered by a "gj team" at the end of the game if your team did well.

It's not unreasonable that the jungler and support expect thanks, since they help others without expecting or receiving much help in return. Before the laning phase ends, anyway, though. Which is still arguable since one of support's jobs is to peel for the ADC in teamfights.

To be honest, my personal opinion is that jungler is the hardest role, just because you're expected to keep watch over everything and still maintain a good clear speed AND gank lanes on top of it all. Supports just keep watch over the map and on the lane for aggression opportunities. I enjoy playing support, but I absolutely abhor jungling, even if they play more of a role later on in the game. Also, everybody rages at the jungler. Everybody. Even the times when I'm not jungling, there's always some entitled instalock top lane or instalock mid lane who's complaining about jungle ganks.

Support actually feels like an easy role to play for me. In one of my most recent games, I saved my jungler's ass by a well placed ward when LeBlanc came to gank him in the jungle before level 6 and secured First Blood for him, too, from the LeBlanc. That LeBlanc was miserable for the rest of the game because I wouldn't let her do shit in our jungle or bot lane. Admittedly, though, I cannot, for the life of me, play Nunu, Nami, or Janna. Nami doesn't feel right and carries never know what to do with the steroids those supports provide.
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Re: League of Legends - Season 3!
« Reply #11072 on: February 13, 2013, 09:40:04 am »

I only say jungle's the hardest role because they do a lot of things support does map-wide, plus the jungle.

As for Nunu, I had the same problem for a while. As a start to learning him, try to gt bloodboil first, and max it first. Don't try to be a snowball machine, because you simply won't be able to do enough poke with it early, and it'll drain your mana fast. However, with the nerf to the skill, you might consider maxing snowball first. Oh, and then Empire a lot. Like, always. Eat when necessary.

Janna is like playing a game of chess. You have to look a few moves in advance for the enemies, and if something surprises you, use your ultimate. You either need to predict damage or initiation with your shield. Predict escape or chase with your slow. Predict movement of enemies with your tornado. It's about predicting your enemies' moves.

Nami, I have no clue. I find her to be really weak. I think a few buffs to her and she'll be viable, but for now? She just doesn't do a lot. She has a minor heal/damage that's random, and only targets up to 3. She has a damage buff that gives a slow... on auto-attacks... which is kinda lame (PLUS IT'S LIMITED BY TIME AND ATTACKS!) Her cc is a long cooldown skillshot, too. And lastly... her ultimate... Is lacking. So, I understand why you might not like Nami. And she doesn't have any decent ratios either, so don't bother trying to play her any other way (Maybe AD or tanky, I'm not sure.)
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Re: League of Legends - Season 3!
« Reply #11073 on: February 13, 2013, 10:05:56 am »

I personally like a good nami support when a play ezreal, since the knockup can guarantee q hits and q of course applies on hit effects. Anyone else though, and i'd prefer a different support. I do agree about her ultimate though.
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Re: League of Legends - Season 3!
« Reply #11074 on: February 13, 2013, 08:49:42 pm »

If your support is just sitting there in the brush, they are doing something wrong. They should constantly be harrassing the other two bot laners, or helping you last hit. I do that even as champs like Sona.

I've been maining supports today a bit. Played a couple games of Sona, with the arcade skin. Went 3/0/20something on the first game. Let me put it this way: if your bot can't kill an untanky Sona, you don't have an ADC. They were running Garen and Thresh bot for some reason. Ashe and I mopped the floor with them.
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Re: League of Legends - Season 3!
« Reply #11075 on: February 13, 2013, 11:13:00 pm »

I only say jungle's the hardest role because they do a lot of things support does map-wide, plus the jungle.

As for Nunu, I had the same problem for a while. As a start to learning him, try to gt bloodboil first, and max it first. Don't try to be a snowball machine, because you simply won't be able to do enough poke with it early, and it'll drain your mana fast. However, with the nerf to the skill, you might consider maxing snowball first. Oh, and then Empire a lot. Like, always. Eat when necessary.

Janna is like playing a game of chess. You have to look a few moves in advance for the enemies, and if something surprises you, use your ultimate. You either need to predict damage or initiation with your shield. Predict escape or chase with your slow. Predict movement of enemies with your tornado. It's about predicting your enemies' moves.

Nami, I have no clue. I find her to be really weak. I think a few buffs to her and she'll be viable, but for now? She just doesn't do a lot. She has a minor heal/damage that's random, and only targets up to 3. She has a damage buff that gives a slow... on auto-attacks... which is kinda lame (PLUS IT'S LIMITED BY TIME AND ATTACKS!) Her cc is a long cooldown skillshot, too. And lastly... her ultimate... Is lacking. So, I understand why you might not like Nami. And she doesn't have any decent ratios either, so don't bother trying to play her any other way (Maybe AD or tanky, I'm not sure.)

Oh no, I know to max blood boil first, snowball the carry. I know that he's a buffer/debuffer to turn the trades in your favor. It's just that the carries NEVER realize that they have blood boil on, or never realize that Nunu maxes blood boil usually, not snowball.

Janna's tornado is really easy to dodge unless it's been set up through a jungle pathway and such, so meh. Also, carries don't seem to realize or care that the shield gives AD, so it's the same problem with Nunu.

I think people are realizing that Nami is a bit weak, so there's that. Stylistically, I think I like Nami the best, so if she receives a few buffs, I might try her again.

Also, Patch Notes for 3.02 are up, and you should go look at the Ohmwrecker. Seriously. If it still had catalyst in its build order, I would've picked it up on Kassadin almost every single time, ha. Dive towers all day.
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Re: League of Legends - Season 3!
« Reply #11076 on: February 14, 2013, 12:22:04 pm »

Moved up a league!

Turns out selfishly taking solo top and trouncing the other guy works better than being nice and getting shoehorned into a role I'm not good with.

Also, I want, nay, I NEED that Jayce skin, so goddamn manly!
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Re: League of Legends - Season 3!
« Reply #11077 on: February 14, 2013, 05:46:33 pm »

TSM vs Vulcun right now :
http://www.twitch.tv/riotgames?utm_campaign=live_embed_click&utm_source=guardsmanbob.com

Sorry for the silly link, but this is where I'm watching it.

The game is not quite at the level my games were when I got a IP boost and went to play SR after playing Dominion only since the gamemode was released, but it's not far. Especially having re-watched the Gambit vs the two azubus at Katowice recently, it's really hilarious.

also Phreak and Wots-His-Face are the worst casters ever god damn just stop talking you haven't said a single reasonable thing WHY

Phreak completely flabbergasted by the most standard Elise build ever. Kill me now.
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Re: League of Legends - Season 3!
« Reply #11078 on: February 14, 2013, 06:51:27 pm »

Phreak has that special kind of voice and generally a way of talking that gets annoying after ten minutes of constant talking. Afterwards it elevates into rage inducing face punching irritation. Seriously, muting the game and watching in silence is much more enjoyable than his voice :C
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Re: League of Legends - Season 3!
« Reply #11079 on: February 14, 2013, 06:53:43 pm »

Sadly the other guy is even worse. Why can't we have Jatt and Deman. These guys haven't made a single non-obvious comment since the game has started. Who is the other guy, even?

edit : Yes other guy, Diana is Patoy's secret support. Go hog wild. Also who's that fat guy with the long hair on Dignitas? I know progamers aren't exactly underwear models, but that's ridiculous.
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Re: League of Legends - Season 3!
« Reply #11080 on: February 14, 2013, 07:49:17 pm »

ImAQTPie (or some variety of that)? Yeah, he looks kinda funny in a wierd way X) One heck of a carry tho :D

Also, I seem to be on a seven win streak in ranked, after realizing that I dread playing it again, never know when the crash could happen, or how horrifiying it could be :C
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Re: League of Legends - Season 3!
« Reply #11081 on: February 14, 2013, 09:35:05 pm »

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Re: League of Legends - Season 3!
« Reply #11082 on: February 15, 2013, 10:30:50 am »

So as soon as I noticed it the streak ended, welp.

Gave top to an ad Nidalee, he was pretty good at making Singed useless. The other team also had a DC'ed Lee Sin. That didn't change our TF tho, he sucked so much arse it's not even funny, constantly going out alone, wasting his ult to clear minion waves and most importantly, he woudln't stop dying. Then there was me as Trist on bot and a Lux for support, they had Draven, and while we had first blood and some advantage early on we just couldn't keep up with him. Getting anywhere near the minions would result in a stun from their Taric and a prompt execution by Draven who just did insane amounts of damage, even without items. Then it got to a point where with a Dorans and a BF sword he could three shot + ult murder me under my own tower.

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Re: League of Legends - Season 3!
« Reply #11083 on: February 15, 2013, 08:04:08 pm »

LCS 2013 starting again!

http://guardsmanbob.com/stream/inline.php?title=riotgames&id=36029255&type=twitch

Again, sorry for the stupid link, click it and go watch directly on twitch.

Sadly, Rivington and Tardblaster from yesterday are commenting. Oh well, maybe we'll get Jatt and Deman tomorrow, for the real games [and by that I mean Gambit's games ofc  :P ]

edit : "I'm one of the most experienced players, and since I joined Curse they've become one of the best teams in NA" - Voyboy. Now if only you weren't pentakilled by a Master Yi...
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Re: League of Legends - Season 3!
« Reply #11084 on: February 15, 2013, 10:05:19 pm »

Master Yi is actually one of the easiest champs to get Penta'd by. Once he gets two or three Qs off, the rest is just a formality.
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