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[penguinofhonor]

CC reduction does scale really poorly if you already have it. See everyone initially freaking out about Irelia with 21 in the defensive tree, then realizing it gave her like an extra 3%.

[frostshotgg]

CC reduction would be less of a problem on Singed and Irelia and Mundo and Trundle and anybody else I might have missed, and more of a problem on champs who need to be. cc'd like ADs. It would also invalidate cleanse.

[Ninteen45]

New leashing mechanics.

heimerdinger.

think about it.

[frostshotgg]

That was addressed on the forum. Champs like Malz and Shaco and Heim are incredibly safe clears, but Heim jungle still isn't good because he can't do anything with the gold he gets. Heim's best time in the game right now is laning, why would you waste it in the jungle?

[penguinofhonor]

If the rework goes through, though, he should have a much better time in the jungle.

[frostshotgg]

It was never a question that Heim could clear jungle safely. It's what he does after he clears that's the problem.

[penguinofhonor]

Well I'm assuming the rework is going to address his lack of lategame anything.

[Ninteen45]

That was addressed on the forum. Champs like Malz and Shaco and Heim are incredibly safe clears, but Heim jungle still isn't good because he can't do anything with the gold he gets. Heim's best time in the game right now is laning, why would you waste it in the jungle?

From the previews already I'll assume there is something that could fit into The guy's item list that would work well.

Split push comp?

[frostshotgg]

I'm guessing you've never seen a fed Heimerdinger?

It's really underwhelming. He's up there with support soraka on the list of champs that don't get scary ever.

[Ninteen45]

Yes, I've seen season 2 fed heimer with season 2 items.

Too bad I'm thinking of season 3 items.

[frostshotgg]

You're acting as if items will fix an inherent problem in his kit. At most you can build like a ranged ad. But we aren't getting items like in Dota where everything has an active that can fill a gap in your kit.

You're also acting as if S3 will completely overhaul the item system, where it won't. It'll add some stuff, it'll fix some problem items, it'll delete some crap that isn't needed.

[frostshotgg]

Put your jungle gripes, and have a gander at this thread.

http://na.leagueoflegends.com/board/showthread.php?t=2781374

Some kind gentleman was nice enough to compile all the item previews, and more importantly, link to the sources so we can get wonderful Xeph lectures.

And now for something completely different.

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[Yodamaster]

Thoughts on Elise anyone? I'm finding her pretty solid. But you have to build her more AP bruiser than mage though. Her ratios aren't all that fantastic, but your combo's burst is still ridiculous, especially on squishies.

Also, I'm cleaning up the OP. Please PM me your Summoner Name and server if you want to be added to the list/stay on the list. Anyone who doesn't send me this information by Friday night will be removed for inactivity. Then maybe we can try some sort of recruiting drive .

[Graven]

Yeah since Elise is mainly percentage-based, she does benefit greatly from CDR and defensive stats, which is why FH is one of the best items for her. Rylai's is also great since it allows her to keep up with her target in spider form.

[webadict]

Yeah since Elise is mainly percentage-based, she does benefit greatly from CDR and defensive stats, which is why FH is one of the best items for her. Rylai's is also great since it allows her to keep up with her target in spider form.

So, is she able to build pretty tanky and still be a threat?