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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #4125 on: January 30, 2012, 08:46:50 pm »

Well... There goes a few of my friends... Dang!

Kind of harsh dumping your friends just because they give up Dwarf Fortress.

I could be wrong (& don't want to speak for Neonivek), but I think he was saying that without Mayday's excellent graphical support, a few of his friends would stop playing DF. Thus, "there go a few of his friends," not from being his friends, but from being religious players of DF.
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« Reply #4126 on: January 30, 2012, 08:51:07 pm »

Traditionally, I am a big supporter of the extended ASCII display. It looks good, the tiles are small enough and characters look different enough. The three critical features no graphics set to date has. Examining an unknown object is a minor issue. And anything frequent or important will be memorised quickly.

However, as previously linked, Toady has run out of characters. Adding more will remove one of the biggest advantages ASCII display has, the limited number of characters to remember and recognise. I am not too thrilled about the alternative though.

Graphics sets have huge issues with tile size. With too small tiles one cannot convey even as much information as the ASCII set does. But not all of us have wide screen full HD televisions to display the game on. And the two overlap. A 16^2 tile is both too small and too large at the same time. Some of the monitor area could be recovered if the map display was disassociated from the menus which are fine with the default curses font.
A few weeks ago, a friend of mine bought a 1080p, 63' TV screen. It is a massive monstrosity of amazing clarity. I immediately hooked up my computer to play Dwarf Fortress with the original ASCII graphics just to watch him cry.
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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #4127 on: January 30, 2012, 09:48:32 pm »

Sept 2009:
Quote from: Toady One
After this release, the next series of shorter releases will be made up of, in no set order:
1) Improved sieges against your fortress
2) Adventurer skills/entity stuff, per the dev next stuff
3) Eternal suggestions voting stuff
He said "in no particular order". Apparently the order is gonna be 2-1-3.

The series of shorter releases following 31.01 has come and gone, as you may have noticed.
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« Reply #4128 on: January 30, 2012, 10:21:19 pm »

Well... There goes a few of my friends... Dang!

Kind of harsh dumping your friends just because they give up Dwarf Fortress.

I could be wrong (& don't want to speak for Neonivek), but I think he was saying that without Mayday's excellent graphical support, a few of his friends would stop playing DF. Thus, "there go a few of his friends," not from being his friends, but from being religious players of DF.

Yes this is exactly it.
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« Reply #4129 on: January 30, 2012, 10:36:11 pm »

Traditionally, I am a big supporter of the extended ASCII display. It looks good, the tiles are small enough and characters look different enough. The three critical features no graphics set to date has. Examining an unknown object is a minor issue. And anything frequent or important will be memorised quickly.

However, as previously linked, Toady has run out of characters. Adding more will remove one of the biggest advantages ASCII display has, the limited number of characters to remember and recognise. I am not too thrilled about the alternative though.

Graphics sets have huge issues with tile size. With too small tiles one cannot convey even as much information as the ASCII set does. But not all of us have wide screen full HD televisions to display the game on. And the two overlap. A 16^2 tile is both too small and too large at the same time. Some of the monitor area could be recovered if the map display was disassociated from the menus which are fine with the default curses font.
A few weeks ago, a friend of mine bought a 1080p, 63' TV screen. It is a massive monstrosity of amazing clarity. I immediately hooked up my computer to play Dwarf Fortress with the original ASCII graphics just to watch him cry.

that would be amazing
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« Reply #4130 on: January 30, 2012, 11:49:17 pm »

At this rate, unsurprisingly no eternal suggestion voting stuff will be done, like, ever.

There's a reason they're called "eternal" suggestions. ;)
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« Reply #4131 on: January 31, 2012, 12:38:32 am »

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« Reply #4132 on: January 31, 2012, 02:47:21 am »

Sept 2009:
Quote from: Toady One
After this release, the next series of shorter releases will be made up of, in no set order:
1) Improved sieges against your fortress
2) Adventurer skills/entity stuff, per the dev next stuff
3) Eternal suggestions voting stuff
He said "in no particular order". Apparently the order is gonna be 2-1-3.

The series of shorter releases following 31.01 has come and gone, as you may have noticed.
I think they're supposed to still be going on, but just became non-short accidentally.
But yeah, the eternal suggestions deserve some love.
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« Reply #4133 on: January 31, 2012, 03:10:34 am »

So is release coming on second day?(which because of timezone is 3th day of february to me D:)
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« Reply #4134 on: January 31, 2012, 07:57:46 am »

So is release coming on second day?(which because of timezone is 3th day of february to me D:)
At the earliest. It's quite possible to come out a few days later still. We still have the SDL stuff and probably some optimization work, at least.
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« Reply #4135 on: January 31, 2012, 08:38:01 am »

I just learned how to check events/battles/wars from history. Yay for something new to do until new release is released!(yes I didn't realize that you can see battles in detail by pressing enter...)
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« Reply #4136 on: January 31, 2012, 06:30:47 pm »

So, a few questions about how vampires will behave in Fortress Mode came to mind today.

Will vampires seek out sleeping victims that are not being observed by anyone awake at the time, either exclusively or by preference?  If so, will pets count as observers?

It might become more useful in the new version to assign pets to all important dwarves, to fend off vampire attacks, or else to make them sleep in a communal bedroom that's open to a meeting hall on one side.  The latter case will either protect them, or ensure plenty of witnesses to the attack.  Naturally, less useful citizens get small private bedrooms to appease the vampires.

You mentioned that vampire adventurers will drink more blood if they go longer without feeding, and are more likely to kill their victims.  Will Fortress Mode vampires be less likely to actually kill if they have frequent feeding opportunities than if isolated, sleeping victims are rare?
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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #4137 on: January 31, 2012, 07:04:40 pm »

I can't recall any zombie lower halfs from any other games/movies I've seen. On many, MANY occasions in other games you'll strike down a zombie only to have the top half come crawling after you, but I've never seen a lower half hop up and run into things. I guess that's the big reason, what in the world would a lower half actually DO? I can't imagine they'd kick too hard since they have little to no weight behind em so unless they'd... throw their innards or something the only other possible attacks would require immediate brain bleach.

Google "dead alive lawnmower scene". practically everything from intestines to single limbs go at him. Though it is comedy,it proves the point ,anything could be animated.
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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #4138 on: January 31, 2012, 07:10:03 pm »

I can't recall any zombie lower halfs from any other games/movies I've seen. On many, MANY occasions in other games you'll strike down a zombie only to have the top half come crawling after you, but I've never seen a lower half hop up and run into things. I guess that's the big reason, what in the world would a lower half actually DO? I can't imagine they'd kick too hard since they have little to no weight behind em so unless they'd... throw their innards or something the only other possible attacks would require immediate brain bleach.

Google "dead alive lawnmower scene". practically everything from intestines to single limbs go at him. Though it is comedy,it proves the point ,anything could be animated.

Also recall Baldur's Gate: Dark Alliance. I remember many a time an undead creature being cut in half only for the legs to start stumbling after me.
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Re: Future of the Fortress
« Reply #4139 on: January 31, 2012, 07:16:42 pm »

Beware the Zombie Teeth; they are like stepping on a lego brick on the way to the bathroom at 3 am.
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